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Contents 1 Item List 2 Question For You 3 Happy Birthday 4 Greater Powers 5 Someone to block 6 Morrowind Geography 7 Morrowind maps 8 Tamriel:House Indoril re-write 9 Fins 10 Cookies

[edit] Item List

I don't know if you've noticed but your proposed deletion on Morrowind:Item List hasn't been carried out for a month. I haven't done it because it's still linked from the Tribunal and Bloodmoon pages and your comment "Only linked from Tribunal and Bloodmoon equivalent pages, which should also ultimately be deleted (but not until items sections are done for those namespaces)" doesn't make it clear exactly what needs to be done to fix things. Could you take a look and make the necessary changes to remove the links to the page? Then it can be deleted safely. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 05:20, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

I changed the two links to point to Morrowind:Items instead. Looking again at those two pages, they really have some problems. They list every single item that can be found in Tribunal and Bloodmoon, even if those items are not added by the expansions and can be easily found in vanilla Morrowind. Seems to me a page for Tribunal items should only list items that you can't find without installing Tribunal. But cleaning up the expansion item pages is a major job that will require more free time than I've had lately. You should be able to go ahead and delete the MW Item List pages, however. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 09:01, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

Thanks. I'll do those now. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 09:13, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Question For You

Could you shed any light on a debate over at Bonemold Armor? As the original creator of the page, Benould and I were hoping you could settle the question over Gah-Julan Redoran Bonemold armor. Thanks. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 12:37, 10 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Happy Birthday

Happy Birthday Lurlock! Here's something for you, although I'm afraid you may have to use your imagination as to what the content is.

- Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 14:05, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Happy Birthday! And many more in the years to come. --DrPhoton 08:39, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

GuildKnight says Happy Birthday! Sorry I missed it... Happy Birthday! --GuildKnightTalk2me 21:20, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Greater Powers

Thanks for finishing Oblivion:Greater Powers, I was doing as much as I could, but I was getting interrupted by time constraints (I was doing the project late at night & getting tired) well again, thanks for finishing it. Puddle 10:34 April 19, 2008.

[edit] Someone to block

I think Puddle is trolling me. I threatened to block him for a year because of <s></s> tags around my name. --Dagoth Ur, Mad God (talk· contribs· email) 22:10, 19 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Morrowind Geography

TheRealLurlock, as you are somewhat of a Lore Master around here, I'd like to get some input from you on the validity of this article: Morrowind

Some points of real interest are the notes on Geography and the origin of Vvardenfell, it might affect quite a few articles.

"Before the eruption of Red Mountain, Morrowind was fabled to have been a verdant grassland and glade, with a thriving ecology of plants and animals similar to those existent in other parts of the world. At that time, Red Mountain was well over three times its current mass, and the slopes of the mountain began as far away as the outer edge of the Inner Sea which now dominates much of central Morrowind. When the eruption occurred, Red Mountain literally exploded from out of the ground, ejecting perhaps as much as a million tons of material into the atmosphere; throwing off most of the mountain and leaving a blast crater the size of the Summerset Isles. The caldera left by the eruption fell exceptionally below sea level, and the ice waters from the Sea of Ghosts poured in from the north to fill much of the crater, leaving only a large cone, the only remainder of Red Mountain, protruding from the newly formed Inner Sea. This cone is now known as Vvardenfell Island."

We have nothing on how Vvardenfell came about, I'd say it's worth implementing, if true.

The politics section matches largely what we have, not to much there, maybe the description on the armistice between the Empire and Vivec, largely preserving Morrowind autonmy, and preseving slavery and this: "Morrowind stayed out of the eye of the rest of the continent for quite some time, except for a few notable episodes, such as the Morag Tong assassination of the last Reman Emperor, which led to the rise of the Akaviri Potentate and the period known as the Interegnum."

Thanks for your time, --Benould^•T•C 19:39, 28 April 2008 (EDT)

I have no idea where that comes from, but it seems a little bit too detailed to just be made up. You might try searching through the books section (at the bottom of the search window, unchecking everything but Tamriel makes it a bit easier) to find references to that. The other possibility is that it came from the PGE, which is one of the only major sources of lore not included on UESP at this time. TIL has these on their site (check both the 1st and 3rd editions). If it's not found in any books and not in the PGE, I'm stumped - my next course is generally to ask around the Lore forum on Bethsoft's site. Though I save that as a last resort, as I find they tend to make stuff up in order to cover for Bethesda's inconsistancies in the lore, because game designers are apparently incapable of making errors. (I can say that because I am one...) If you can find valid source somewhere, feel free to put it in an article somewhere where it's appropriate. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 18:55, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Your guess as the PGE being a (partial) source is right, I recognize sentence fragments and (bad) re-writes in the filefront article. I haven't found anything on the scale of the eruption yet, nor the creation of the Inner Sea, but I'll keep looking. As to the PGE itself, and excuse my naiveté, is this considered a reliable source? If so, how freely can we use it? --Benould^•T•C 19:15, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

Depends what you mean by "reliable". It does come from Bethesda, so it is "official". (The two editions were packaged with the Deluxe editions of Morrowind and Oblivion respectively, I believe.) However, it is written with a clear Imperial bias, and much of the content should not be considered to be accurate lore. Thus, you should treat it like any other in-game book (even though it's not actually seen in-game). The book itself belongs to the world of TES, but its contents are not necessarily 100% factual within that world. There have been several cases where "actual" facts were known to be markedly different from what is represented in the PGE, so anything you read there should be taken with a grain of salt. It's not all fabricated (except of course in the same way that the entire ES universe is fabricated), but some of it definitely is. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 19:27, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Morrowind maps

TheRealLurlock, regarding the map in Seyda Neen, I agree, the Ascadian Isles region map isn't ideal. It is however, the only map that I am aware of with that level of detail, are there any others? It would be great to be able to add maps of the area, centered around the town, for all of our Morrowind:Cities & Towns. Perhaps a stitched map of Vvardenfel regions, which then could be centered and stamped out... however, even the Morrowind:Regions maps are incomplete. Who are the capable map-makers around that would be up for the challenge? I put a detail of the paper map in there for now. --Benould^•T•C 17:47, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

I could probably whip up something when I have the time - maybe this weekend. Not sure I want to make any promises, though - if I do this, I might be expected to do ALL the MW maps, and having already done that for Oblivion (I did the first set of all Oblivion maps single-handedly, the newer ones that are replacing them I wasn't involved with), I appreciate how much of a monumental task that actually is. (And being employed now, I have other priorities, unlike when I did the OB maps.) It shouldn't be that hard to do, though. Just get a new character, use TFOW to get rid of all fog of war, then screenshot the local map in a few places in order to get the whole town in, some creative patching in Photoshop or equivalent, and adjust the levels to look good on the site, maybe add some labels for the buildings, and you'd be done. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 00:50, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Sounds good, I'd do it, except I'm on the Xbox, hence no screenshots. I'd appreciate the help. If you can get me the source jpg, I could do the stamping, if that helps.--Benould^•T•C 01:41, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Generated a new map using the Morrowind Interactive Map program - not sure where you can still find this program, as the website in the readme is defunct, but somebody's probably got a copy uploaded somewhere. (In fact, I just noticed Daveh is listed in the credits, so he'd probably know something about it.) I went ahead and annotated it with little numbers and such in Photoshop. If I ever find the time, I might use it to start doing the other maps that way, but don't count on it being any time soon, as I have work that's paying me that takes priority. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 12:43, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Once I get around to rewriting the code I lost when my hard disk died, we'll have a fully-interactive Morrowind map that will make these small maps somewhat unnecessary. You can catch the earlier debate here. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 05:40, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for both efforts, an interactive map in either form is very helpful and cuts down the need for directions in the main text. Besides that, what would be helpful is a regional map, like the stamp-our I did from the Gamebanshee map. Personally, i.e. for the first few month I had no idea how physically close Caldera was to Balmora. Wolfie's map is not the right scale and has the unwanted blue travel lines on it. Is there a map, maybe from the javamap we have, that I can use to make cutouts from? Where did the Ascadian Isles map come from? Curious,--Benould^•T•C 16:24, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

I think there's definitely benefit to having both. The interactive map is great, but can be slow to load, and also does not work offline. Having separate images on the town pages (or linked from them) is just more convenient. Although, depending on the quality of the map images, it might be better to wait until yours are created? I'm stuck with the resolution created by the Morrowind Interactive Map program, your map might be higher quality. But if it's going to be a while, the ones I've got will serve in the interim. (I'm not putting THAT much effort into them really.) --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 16:28, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Awesome, much more useful with the increased resolution! Do you think we need one for the Morrowind:Manor District as well? --Benould^•T•C 16:46, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

I plan on it. The Interactive Map program doesn't do interiors, so I have to use the CS for that one, but since I've discovered I get much better resolution that way, I'm switching over anyhow. They do take a bit more time to make however, particularly if there's water involved. (I had to manually paint in the water in the Khuul map because it doesn't show up well in the CS.) So it might take a while to get all of them up there. I'll probably concentrate on the ones that don't have any maps yet, and leave the low-res ones in place until I get around to them. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 16:53, 15 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Tamriel:House Indoril re-write

TheRealLurlock, I took a stab at a very old cleanup tag ;). Take a look at my re-write of the Tamriel:House Indoril article, it needs some more eyes to finish. I checked facts to the best of my abilities, within the named resources, TIL and cross-referenced the original wikipedia article. Among other things, a consensus needs to be reached on whether Vivec city is Temple or partially Indoril holdings. Going to post this on its talk page. Cheers, --Benould^•T•C 17:41, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Fins

Hi Lurlock,

Could you draw a consensus on this? It's just that this is on hold until I know how we're gonna do this. Thanks. - Game Lord^{Talk|Contribs} 10:21, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Cookies

You have been given a cookie! Your dedication and diligence to the wiki has not gone unnoticed. A user has seen the progress you've made, and has given you a cookie because of it. Good work! The user had the following to say: For your effort on MW city maps, keep up the good work! --Benould•T•C 16:55, 15 May 2008 (EDT)