Skyrim talk:Cellar

Why is Cellar redirected to hearthfire house?

This is just wrong. if i remember correctly, the heartfire houses basements have cell names such as "Lakeview Manor, Cellar", not just simply "Cellar". There ARE cells that are named just "Cellar", like Anise shack and Dusnihk yal basment. There are also other cells (just like the hf house cells) that include the word "Cellar" in the cell name, like nightgate inn, frozen heath, lagashbur, alva's cellar and many more. this shd change to disambiguation.--Honeystars (talk) 11:55, 2 October 2013 (GMT)

Here's a list from CSList of all cells with "cellar" in their name. I agree with you. However, I don't know if anyone else will see this question here. If you don't get any other response or action on this in a week or so, you should probably ask it on a talk page where an admin will see it, like one of their talk pages, the Administrator Noticeboard, or a mentor's talk page. --Xyzzy ^Talk 14:14, 2 October 2013 (GMT)

A disambiguation page was unneeded for a full year after Skyrim was released, and I don't believe it's really needed now. There are just as many cells in the base game with "Quarters" in the name as there are with "Cellar" (here's a list) but we don't have a "Skyrim:Quarters" disambiguation page. This page was created when Hearthfire released, a year after the base game (and all the pages for it) had been created. It's consistent with all other Hearthfire construction pages which have pages for each part of the home that can be built. We can create redirects at "Skyrim:Cellar (Anise's Cabin)" and "Skyrim:Cellar (Dushnikh Yal)" (this part should be done regardless of other related aspects of this decision) and then a disambiguation page at "Skyrim:Cellar (disambiguation)" which lists all of those places with Cellar in the name. This would be consistent with using the rule/standard for primary topics like we do at Bandit (disambiguation) and Winterhold (disambiguation), and a few pages in other namespaces. Redirects for "Skyrim:Lakeview Manor, Cellar" and the other two homes would redirect to the same place as this one, since they are unique from any other type of cell in the game in that there is no difference between the cells in the three different homes and all related information is already documented here, at the primary topic. — ABCface^◥ 16:36, 2 October 2013 (GMT)

Ummm sorry dude, but i cldnt follow what you said at some parts. sounded like youre contradicting yourself abit. At first you said that this disambiguation is unneeded, but then you said that only some redirects must be created, but then you said disambiguation page should be created because of some primary topic. So which is it? we doing the disambiguation,which i think we shd, or is it unneeded?

Anyway, where im coming from is that there ARE cells named just "Cellar", so i think the disambiguation IS needed. I think your point about the Quarters is invalid. There are no such cells named just "Quarters", so there is no need for disambiguation. those cell names with Quarters in them shd just be redirects to the main place page, like Nchuand-Zel Quarters and Dragonsreach Jarl's Quarters. Its different from the Cellars. If those places with Cellar in their name shdnt be included, a disamibguation should AT LEAST be made for the cells that are actually named "Cellar". I suggested to add the other cells with Cellar in their names because of the Mercenary page, where other pages which are NOT named just "Mercenary" are also added to that disambiguation list, and also because that this page was originally redirected to the hearthfire house cellar.--Honeystars (talk) 04:19, 4 October 2013 (GMT)

I'm saying that I don't personally think a disambiguation page is needed, but if we were to create one it should follow the same primary topic standard as Winterhold and Bandit, as the most likely reason people would specifically be looking for or talking about a cellar on the wiki is for the Hearthfire one. I wasn't saying a disambiguation page was needed for Quarters, it was a simple example of another word used in many cell names. The point is that this is definitely the primary topic for cellar, unlike the different mercenaries and other pages. Redirects for zone(cell) names should be created for all place pages (and have been for many), regardless of this discussion. — ABCface^◥ 04:28, 4 October 2013 (GMT)

Oh ok. i think that cleared some of my questions, thanks. and i think i understand about the primary topic thing. So, just to clarify: all cells should have its own redirect page to the main place right? and since the usage of Cellar is usually for the heartfire houses, this redirect isnt changed right?

That aside, according to the wikipedia page you linked, it says: "Disambiguation is required whenever, for a given word or phrase on which a reader might search, there is more than one existing Wikipedia article to which that word or phrase might be expected to lead. In this situation there must be a way for the reader to navigate quickly from the page that first appears to any of the other possible desired articles." So, since there are 3 pages named Cellar (3 > 1), is it ok if i create the disambiguation page?--Honeystars (talk) 06:20, 4 October 2013 (GMT)

Yep, you can create it at "Skyrim:Cellar (disambiguation)". I created redirects already for the "Skyrim:Cellar (Burguk's Longhouse)" and "Skyrim:Cellar (Anise's Cabin)" zones but did not check on other interior zone redirects with "Cellar" in the name, as I've been multitasking quite a bit tonight, mostly off-wiki stuff. I can check on them all later if you or someone else doesn't get to it before then. — ABCface^◥ 06:30, 4 October 2013 (GMT)

(←) ok, i created the page. i placed the 3 pages named Cellar first in the list, and then followed by the other cells alphabetically. i copied the cell names from the list that the other guy linked above. the descriptions i gave were hastily made so you might wanna edit some of em. i also added a hatnote to the part where the primary topic is linking per the wikipedia guidelines, but did it manually since this wiki dont have the redirect template. (i also noted it in my edit summary.) maybe you can look into that.--Honeystars (talk) 09:06, 4 October 2013 (GMT)

Looks good to me. Thanks for taking the initiative. :) — ABCface^◥ 13:01, 4 October 2013 (GMT)