User talk:ErfXploded/SandboxZwei

Additional Languages

I've seen your help on the Linguistics pages and am happy to see it! Since you appear to be editing the speculative origin chart, here's some languages that are so-far unmentioned on it.

• Centaurian
• Giantish
• Reach-tongue
• Dragonish (spoken by dragonlings, not dragons)
• Harpy
• Impish
• Nymph
• Spriggan
• Faerie
• Atmoran (seemingly separate from Nordic) (nevermind, Xanathar confirms this is just Nordic)

Mindtrait0r (talk) 14:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi! yep, i have reach-tongue and all the daggerfall language skills in my notes.

I'd be interested to hear where you got Atmoran from, and Xanathar's confirmation. Since from what I recall, Xanathar is just a passionate fan (of course, he might have some info we don't, because of his position as the founder of The Imperial Library). --ErfXploded (talk) 14:05, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Sure thing. My first thought that Atmoran was its own tongue came from two sources: The Onus of the Oghma and Wittestadr's loading screen. However, the same sentence in Onus reappears in Xanathar's Library, restated simply as Nordic. To the best of my knowledge, the wiki's two Xanathar's Library Archive pages are taken as canon because they are comprised of internal Bethesda timeline info, sent to him directly from Bethesda. This has been reaffirmed as official information by Matt Grandstaff, who posted a line from the internal timeline about Ami-El that is featured in Xanathar's. Mindtrait0r (talk) 16:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Hmmm, so Ysgramor created the ancient nordic language based on elven principles, but then ancient nordic language borrowed heavily from the dragon language. And then presumably ancient nordic got turned into modern nordic. I don't yet know how I'm going to do that part of the chart, feels quite a bit original research-y. I'm very floaty on the Dragon Cult timeline stuff. Then there's also the stuff from the forums where Ysgramor was potentially a dragon priest... not sure. I guess it'd be something like Dragon and possibly High Elvish or smth? -> Ancient Nordic -> Nordic and then potentially nedic contributes to nordic? but that's definitely original research if no sources are present

oh and after that nordic or old nordic gets combined into old cyrodilic or tamrielic? that's in the original chart but i haven't found any sources for that yet--ErfXploded (talk) 19:34, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

That sounds abouuutt right. The elven language could be Falmer or Aldmeris, too, but High Elvish is probably more likely? I don't really know. As far as Nordic going into Cyrodilic I also don't know there. While the Ayleidoon origin makes sense and obviously Nedic, the Nordic and Tsaesci ties, I don't know where they come from. The distinction between Akaviri and Tsaesci also seems uncorroberated, but maybe I just haven't found the right sourcey yet. Mindtrait0r (talk) 19:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

(←) Popping back in to bring your attention to the recently-added Excerpts from the Books of Sand, which mentions "'moon language' carvings" Mindtrait0r (talk) 19:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Yea i know that, he also added some comments about the languages after the books of sand stuff in the discord. Just not sure yet how to deal with UOL in general on this yet.--ErfXploded (talk) 20:21, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

If you'd like a second opinion, since this chart is already speculative, incorporating UOL if properly indicated with an asterisk or something would be awesome! Mindtrait0r (talk) 04:36, 13 June 2023 (UTC)