Oblivion talk:Best Non-leveled Items

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I'm a bit uncertain about what is being used to decide which items get listed on this page. Without any clear criteria, it seems likely that this page will either become a very subjective list of a few people's favorite items, or else it will become a list of every artifact and unique item in the game, which would be redundant.

One reason for my uncertainty is that several of the items currently listed on the page in my opinion really aren't worth the effort of obtaining them.

• Brusef Amelion's armor is no better than standard chainmail (available at level 6) in terms of armor rating. And given its extreme weight, it really can't be worn by low-level characters who specialize in light armor. Or at least no stealth-type character I've ever created could afford to carry around more than 120 pounds of armor at level 1.
• The Masque of Clavicus Vile may have stats similar to a daedric helmet, but is it worth giving up Umbra for a helmet with a fortify personality enchantment (especially when you've already got Umbra's helmet)?
• Black bows do the same amount of damage as fine steel or silver bows, which are available at level 4.

Several of the other items that are listed may be great items that are available at level 1, but only if you have much more gold than any starting character is likely to have.

I think this page needs to have some clear criteria that are used to identify which are the "best" items. If so, And I think the descriptions of any items need to clearly state the reasons why that item qualifies: what are the exact statistics that make the item so good? How do those statistics compare to "standard" items? What are the drawbacks of the item? --Nephele 23:22, 16 January 2007 (EST)

Actually, from what I can tell (entirely as a reader and not an editor) the page more or less works well now, and the criteria (that the items listed must not be leveled and that they must not be randomly generated) are, in fact, very specific and very narrow.

Keep in mind that the this list is primarily for players using one of the strategies for tackling the game with the difficulty set to maximum - never leveling (or leveling just once, to complete the main quest). This is why the Black Bows, Brusef's armor, and expensive store-bought gear belong on the list. I think that this page would make more sense to you if you read it in that context. 75.36.44.78 10:57, 14 April 2007 (EDT)