Oblivion talk:Brother Martin

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Could we get a different picture of Martin? This one is pretty dark and hard to see. 152.23.196.162 09:26, 3 April 2007 (EDT)

I would do it, but I have the 360 version. Dio 225

Actually, the picture has already been replaced since this request was made. The picture shown at that time was Image:Brother_Martin.JPG. --Nephele^Talk 17:36, 17 May 2007 (EDT)

Contents 1 Martin can spy the Mythic Dawn? 2 End of the Septims? 3 Reflect? 4 Martin's voice actor 5 Illusion spell 6 Not equipping sword 7 Removed from article 8 Name Change 9 Before worshiping Deadra.... 10 Tenth Divine? 11 "The Bitter Wisdom that one has been a fool is not without value" 12 Emperor's Cuirass

[edit] Martin can spy the Mythic Dawn?

When using Martin and Jauffre in my "team", by having him as one of my followers, I arrived at Bravil. Going through the gate, Martin suddenly pulled out his dagger and killed an agent of the Mythic Dawn. I do not know if he can "spy" them, but this is the only occurence that he has ever killed a random townsperson before. Also, I unfortunuately do not know who attacked first, Martin or the agent. Anyone else had times like this with Martin before? >_>

Do you by chance remember who the person he killed was?64.131.15.50 21:12, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

According to the Weynon Priory page, Mythic Dawn Agents will attack Martin on site. --Debatra 15:12, 2 July 2008 (EDT)

[edit] End of the Septims?

With the "disappearance" of Martin, does the Septim bloodline end? I wonder if in The Elders Scrolls V there will be a new dynasty in place.Aldage 20:11, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

I would imagine that. For all we know, he could have had a love child with a dark elf while he was worshipping deadra. (Wow, that was random) --M1SSYF1V3 23:23, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Reflect?

Does anyone know how He can reflect magicka ? I wanted to cast a shield spell on him during Defense of Bruma but he just reflected it back on me. His special birthsign doesn't seem to include reflect, so can anyone explain what happened? LordDagon 10:43, 5 December 2007 (EST)lordDagon

Interesting. It's actually his cuirass that gives him that effect. The Emperor's Cuirass (0003abb9) gives him Fortify Health (50), Reflect Damage (50) and Reflect Spell (50). I'm not sure what to do with this information though: Emperor's Cuirass redirects to a list page on which it would be tricky to add the info but it's not important enough to add anywhere else given that the player can never actually pick one up. Any ideas anybody? --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 13:32, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Can you than explain how he can reflect while wearing the Emperor's robe?? (Just did light the dragonfires)LordDagon 10:59, 8 December 2007 (EST)lordDagon

I just checked and the robe shares the same enchantment as the cuirass. That's why. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 11:06, 8 December 2007 (EST)

I shoehorned the enchantment information into the table at Other Specialty Gear; there was enough room in the notes section and it seemed better to at least get the information added for now, even if later there are other ideas about a better way to do it. I also figured that a note in the article would be useful. --Nephele^Talk 01:58, 26 December 2007 (EST)

I just thought of one last thing; does Uriel Septim wear the same version of the Robe? I'd say no, since i had hit him several times with my flare spell (accidentialy!), but it never reflected. So i think he wears an unenchanted version.--LordDagon 12:09, 20 February 2008 (EST)

Uriel wears an unenchanted Emperor's Robe that is listed at Oblivion:Clothing#Outfits. It is identical in appearance and name to Martin's robe, but provides no protection. --Nephele^Talk 02:34, 25 February 2008 (EST)

I'm propably annoying you with these questions by now, but here's one last: where's martin's robe listed?--LordDagon 12:47, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

(outdent) I don't think it is listed at the moment. I hate to disagree with my colleague but the version of the robe that he wears is enchanted. He doesn't wear the obvious robe, it's an Armor robe instead of clothing and called MQEmperorRobeArmor. It has the same appearance as the other robe but the same enchantment as his cuirass. I'm not 100% sure it's worth listing though. You can't pick it up (it's marked as unplayable) and it only exists for a short time. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 15:49, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Umm... just for clarification. I never said anything about the robe that Martin wears. Yes, I agree that Martin wears a robe labeled MQEmperorRobeArmor, which is enchanted armor. All that I was trying to do was answer the question about what robe does Uriel wear. And the robe that Uriel wears is MQUpperEmperorRobe, which is an unenchanted robe, as listed at the provided link. --Nephele^Talk 16:16, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

Sorry - my bad. I misread it. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 16:26, 11 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Martin's voice actor

Did you know that Martin was voiced by one of the cast from Lord of The Rings? It was the redhead (no, not Gimly the dwarf!) who died in the first film. I can't remember the name of the actor, could somone tell me please?

Update: Never mind! I found out on another site, he's voiced by Sean Bean.

Update #2: This information is in this article anyway!

Sean Bean played Boromir in the Lord Of The Rings.LordDagon 05:52, 13 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Illusion spell

I think he also has an illusion spell that isn't noted in the article jet. Anyway; it's an area effect spell, i think it's silence. ( needs confirmation ).LordDagon 05:52, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Nope - no spells other than the ones listed on the article. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:12, 13 January 2008 (EST)

How can he then turn everyone green?--LordDagon 11:27, 19 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Not equipping sword

Why won't he equip his longsword during the defense of bruma? It's in his inventory allright, and he wears the armor, but he still runs around using that idiotic dagger.LordDagon 06:03, 13 January 2008 (EST)

You must have hit a glitch similar to the armor one - his dagger is supposed to be removed at the end of the Miscarcand quest. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 07:12, 13 January 2008 (EST)

Hmm,... not sure what could couse a bug ... i never even enter miscarand before the main quest, so that cant be it...Playing on Xbox so mods cant be the problem.... Has anyone encountered this specific problem before?--LordDagon 11:27, 19 January 2008 (EST)

Yeah. Me too. Don't know why. -Dan 9410 10:53, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Removed from article

If you finish taking kavatch and havent found martin when you try to talk to Savlian Mantius to find martin he just says kavatch was rebiult from ruins before and she will do it again you have my thanks and then the convorsation ends

Removed because:

• Spelling is horrible. (kavatch, for instance)
• This doesn't provide any specific info on Martin the way i see it.

Open for discussion--LordDagon 06:24, 2 March 2008 (EST)

[edit] Name Change

Does anyone know when, exactly, Martin's name changes from "Brother Martin" to "Martin Septim"? I'm pretty certain it's not when you take him to Cloud Ruler, although that was my first thought, as I'm certain I've seen him as "Brother Martin" there. Maybe at the start of the ritual quests? or when you return the armor? -Dan 9410 11:34, 25 March 2008 (EDT)

Hmm. Perhaps I could take a look at some youtube videos of the quests. Maybe I could piece together as to when the name changes. But I might have a hard time finding videos of the sort.

--M1SSYF1V3 23:28, 26 March 2008 (EDT)

The smart-aleck answer is that his name is never changed from "Brother Martin" to "Martin Septim" :P

First, his name is changed from "Brother Martin" to "Martin," at the end of the quest Weynon Priory (quest stage 100). His name is then changed from "Martin" to "Martin Septim" during the quest Miscarcand, specifically at quest stage 30, when you pick up the Great Welkynd Stone. --Nephele^Talk 00:04, 29 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Before worshiping Deadra....

I remember hearing somewhere in the game about Martin's past before he became a worshiper of Deadra. Supposedly, it has something to do with being a farmer. Does anyone know if my memory serves me right, and where I can find the dialogue? I checked the Imperial Library, but they don't even have the Oblivion story line! Hence the quote:
"The Story of Oblivion

This is work in progress..."
I would check this out myself. I really would. But sadly, someone had to snap my disc in half. /sadface

Why am I asking for such useless info? I'm writing a fanfic and need the details.

--M1SSYF1V3 21:52, 3 April 2008 (EDT)

The important dialogue is on his page. As an aside, if you're writing a fanfic you should probably use the correct spelling of the word "daedra"! –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 01:22, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Martin thought he was the son of a farmer. At least, his surrogate father was such. But from what info he gives to you, he may have studied in the Mages' Guild before experimenting further with Daedric magic (also, on the page Rpeh linked).—Dark Spark 02:44, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

Thank you guys! Oh, and Rpeh... thanks for pointing that out. Luckily, I put "Daedra" in my computer's dictionary (Along with Tamriel, Cyrodiil, ect)! Eh. I need more coffee, or else I can't spell! --M1SSYF1V3 15:43, 4 April 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Tenth Divine?

Does Martin become a Tenth Divine(like how Tiber became the Ninth) or does he just "replace" Akatosh? --Debatra 13:09, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

The game never gives us a straight answer, so we're hoping the fifth game will tell us.--Darth NANAME 13:20, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

[edit] "The Bitter Wisdom that one has been a fool is not without value"

Once when I had Brother Martin as a companion I decided to try out my newly acquired "soul trap" spell on a low level animal and observe the order in which my soul gems were filled up. So I practiced on the flock of sheep by the pond north of Skingrad. At the time I didn't know that was a crime. I soul trapped three of them and ended up with a 12 gold bounty on my head (2 gold for casting soul trap twice and 10 for killing two of the sheep) Apparently Brother Martin will sometimes report crime and sometimes he won't because he only seems to have reported two of the crimes and not the third. To this date that is still my largest bounty. Rhapsody Moon 03:45, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Emperor's Cuirass

Can you get the cuirass by reverse-pickpocketing a bound cuirass to Martin?--Drake3555 23:17, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

Not sure, possibly only experimenting will tell. There are two alternative ways though, you can do them both no the ps3 and xbox 360. Western3589 23:26, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

There is no way to obtain the armour. It is simply is not marked as "playable", and therefore, cannot be obtained by th player. Even using the Skull of Corruption duplication glitch, it does not work. --Xyntfos 04:19, 27 July 2008 (EDT)