Lore talk:Chimer

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"It is assumed that the Tribunal used divine energies to change their appearance, which explains why they did not appear as Dunmer."

So are you saying that the Tribunal are, in fact, Dunmer, but still possess the appearance of Chimer?

A better way to say that might be: Though the Tribunal appear unchanged, they are, in fact, Dunmer. It is assumed that they drew on divine energies to retain or recreate their appearance.

Don't forget Vivec; he appears half-half. --59.100.47.179 18:40, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Almalexia is a fully chimer, Vivec half-half and Sotha Sil a fully dunmer. So, yeah, it could be, that they used divine magic to stay as Chimer oder half-Chimer, but I don't think so. I don't see a system behind that and don't think, that it has anything to do with divine energies. -- --Katan 03:36, 21 March 2007

Well, obviously divine magic comes into play when the Chimer were cursed by Azura. Personally, I think the Tribunal's powers would be easily enough to change their appearance from Dunmer back to Chimer. In fact, I do see a system behind it. Sotha Sil, the recluse doesn't care if he appears Dunmer, and thus he appears Dunmer. On the other hand, Almalexia is the one that cares the most about appearances, judging from Tribunal, so it is no surprise that she appears as a Chimer. Vivec is a bit more of a mystery, but he's out there anyways, so it almost makes sense that he'd be half and half. --Ratwar 22:48, 20 March 2007 (EDT)

I always got the impression that Vivec appeared half and half by choice. Technically, with his godly powers he could take on any appearance he chose to, but he decided to go with split-down the middle Chimer/Dunmer as a reminder of what the Dunmer once were or something like that. However, I think it would be a mistake to actually say that he is half-Chimer, or that Almalexia is Chimer, or even that Sotha Sil is Dunmer. They're divine beings now, and whatever race they once were is no longer relevant. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 10:18, 21 March 2007 (EDT)

Sotha Sil is not Dunmer. Anyone who has completed Tribunal MQ knows that. He looks more like Almalexia. Kertaw48 22:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] sources

Good sources would be The Changed Ones and Before the Ages of Man.Temple-Zero 00:12, 1 January 2009 (EST)

There is a brief mention of the Chimer in Azura and the Box: Ancient tales of the Dwemer, Part XI, by Marobar Sul (from Oblivion)

"Among the sage's acquaintances was a holy Chimer priest named Athynic."
"Athynic summoned Azura. After the usual rituals by which the priest declared his faith in her powers and Azura agreed to do no harm to him..."

The Chimer are also mentioned in A Children's Anaud (also from Oblivion)

"Over many years, the Ehinofey of Tamriel became:... 
- the Chimer (the Changed Ones, who later became the Dunmer), and 
- the Dunmer (the Dark or Cursed Ones, the Dark Elves)"