Morrowind talk:Sneak

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Contents 1 Pickpocketing 2 Security 3 invisibility 4 Critical Damage

[edit] Pickpocketing

I've never successfully picked a pocket without getting caught. I don't understand how it's possible. I have, say, picked a key off of Nerano without incurring a bounty, but he still freaks out and wants to fight me. Are there any tips? Does shoes count? What about other clothing/armor/weapon items? Total encumbrance? Do any of those count? I have a chameleon spell as well, but it doens't help. Does the distance from the victim matter and if so should you be further or closer? Information on pickpocketing should be on the main page. -- --Mebestien 03:24, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

I've found that you need an unusually high Sneak skill (close to maxed) in order to pull off a successful pickpocket without being detected. High Agility and Luck probably help as well. Chameleon helps, but again, it should be a relatively high level to have a noticeable effect. 100% Chameleon should make it a cinch. Invisibility is useless, don't bother. I don't know about shoes or other clothing, but I don't think it matters in Morrowind. (Shoes seem to be an issue in Oblivion, but not Morrowind.) Another thing to be careful of is to make sure you approach your victim directly from the back. Not just kind of from the back, but as perfectly lined up to their rear end as you can get. The margin seems to be very slim for what counts as "behind" the victim. If they're backed up against a wall, you can kind of push them around a bit before you attempt the pickpocket. It helps to use 1st person rather than 3rd person view so you can make sure you're lined up perfectly. Of course, this is just personal experience from memory, I have no idea how much of this is actually true, so testing is obviously needed prior to posting anything in the article. --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 14:02, 8 October 2008 (EDT)

Indeed, Sneak certainly seems like one of the trickiest skills to use. Thanks for the help, I will take all of that into consideration. I've been playing Morrowind off and on for four years and never quite got the hang of a stealthy character. It just seems like in order to do even the simplest quests for stealthy factions requires an unusually high Sneak, Security, Illusion, Agility, and/or Luck. It's much easier to be stealthy in Oblivion. -- --Mebestien 01:02, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

It's not that the values need to be exceptionally high. It's simply broken. Try the console with exceptionally high values - Sneak, Agility, Luck, Level all set to 200 and you still get caught half the time. It's broken. On the other hand, if you do it the right way you can kill everyone without incurring a bounty. Morrowind's a strange place. --Dab 84.75.103.203 18:20, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

Pickpocketing uses many checks for a success, so you must certainly be delicate. Having full fatigue is probably the most important factor IIRC. Keep in mind that each time an item is picked up and when it is dropped to your inventory, there is a failure check. The "take all" will do two checks for each item, as it would when you move each individually, this will mess up a new thief. I like to hold the sneak button the entire time I'm in the target's inventory, but I do not know if this matters. Shoe armor-class slightly counts towards stealthiness, but again I don't know details. Lukish_ Tlk Cnt 07:00, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Security

I'm noticing a connection between NPC Security skill and their ability to detect thieves. Can anyone confirm? Lukish_ Tlk Cnt 23:15, 29 December 2008 (EST)

When you say "detect thieves", what do you mean? I'm almost certain that it's their Sneak skill that improves their ability to detect you when you are sneaking, but maybe Security helps them detect you when you try to pick their pocket? --Gaebrial 15:12, 5 January 2009 (EST)

[edit] invisibility

Actually invisibility is not useless you can use it to grab expensive items like enchanted stuff and soul gems. It is alot cheaper than say chameleon or sneak Is there anyway to train this skill from useage--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mrp8196 (talk • contribs).

In my experience, you still get caught some of the time when using invisibility. As for training by usage, you gain skill points for every second you avoid notice.--Ratwar 11:24, 6 March 2009 (EST)

[edit] Critical Damage

Would anyone happen to know about how much more damage a critical hit does? I have a feeling it's at least twice as much, but I'm unsure. Also, is there only a chance to get critical hits? Or is it that when I swing and hit while sneaking, but don't get a critical, my swing alerted what I attacked before I hit it? Or perhaps I'm just imagining it and have been missing those times. Who knows? I hope someone does. --Lovless510

Sneak attacking with a melee weapon does 4x damage. Sneak attacking with a ranged weapon does 1.5x damage. If you are undetected by your target at the point at which you hit them, you should always get a critical hit - the only 'chance' is the normal chance to actually hit your target. It is possible to miss and still get the 'critical hit' message, but this is due to a bug in the game engine. --Gaebrial 03:09, 30 March 2009 (EDT)

Hey, thanks for answering my question so fast. That was very nice and helpful. --Lovless510