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[edit] Anthony Skordi

Anthony Skordi does the MaleDarkElfCommoner voicetype (Includes Garyn Ienth and Slitter)

He told me on Twitter he voices Garyn Ienth. Garyn Ienth has the MaleDarkElfCommoner voicetype. Can this be put on the page? Dragon Guard (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2013 (GMT)

Link to the tweet? He would need to have been previously verified on twitter I believe for us to be able to use it. Jeancey (talk) 18:06, 29 June 2013 (GMT)
Sure, here is the link: https://mobile.twitter.com/AnthonySkordi. The tweet on page says something like; 5'23' is me. Dragon Guard (talk) 19:00, 29 June 2013 (GMT)
Hmm, he isn't verified by twitter, so we might not be able to use it. Jeancey (talk) 19:14, 29 June 2013 (GMT)
He said he voiced Garyn Ienth in the video posted. So how is he not verified? Dragon Guard (talk) 19:18, 29 June 2013 (GMT)
I think what Jeancey is saying is that we don't know whether the person running that account is really anthony skordi. Celebrities can have their account verified by twitter which puts a check next to there name (like here. That page doesn't have that. --AN|L (talk) 19:41, 29 June 2013 (GMT)
(edit conflict) yep! (you beat me to explaining that) Jeancey (talk) 19:43, 29 June 2013 (GMT)
Why would he say who he voiced if he was oblivious to fact about who he voices then? It is his account. Dragon Guard (talk) 19:47, 29 June 2013 (GMT)

() The issue is verifiability. You can read more about identifying reliable sources on wikipedia. Jeancey (talk) 19:51, 29 June 2013 (GMT)

Come on, let's not be ridiculous here. Why on earth would someone create a fake Twitter account of Anthony Skordi? If he's been polite enough to confirm his role in Dragonborn, we might as well use it as a source when lacking any other reference. —Legoless (talk) 19:04, 5 August 2013 (GMT)

[edit] Johanna Torell

What is her voice type? Female Nords is vague, especially since she didn't do the FemaleNord voicetype. Vicano (talk) 20:02, 6 August 2013 (GMT)

We don't know yet for sure. The "Female Nords" is on there because that's exactly the information given in the game's credits. — ABCface 20:42, 6 August 2013 (GMT)
She plays FemaleCoward. Process of elimination is a fun thing, but I doubt it's enough to get it listed — Unsigned comment by 110.22.166.2 (talk) at 07:37 on 7 July 2014 (GMT)
According to an imdb user, she voices Viola Giordano and Colette Marence, among others, although the credibility of the source is questionable. Unless there's some way of confirming it (voice comparison, information in the game's files, etc.), we can't list it on the page. Zul se onikaanLaan tinvaak 12:43, 7 July 2014 (GMT)

[edit] MaleDrunk voice

Who does the voice of the "maledrunk" type voices, like Sanguine, Brenuin, Degaine, etc? I didn't see that listed and it wasn't listed on IMDB, either. 172.12.96.55 04:35, 16 February 2014 (GMT)

The only answer is no-one knows. Bethesda haven't released the relevant information, nor has it been revealed elsewhere. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 04:40, 16 February 2014 (GMT)
While not necessarily conclusive, Wikipedia credits William Salyers as voicing Sanguine in his page, and Salyers lists Skyrim as one of the games he voiced on his Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/pages/William-Salyers/162370267136417?hc_location=timeline 192.189.128.13 21:28, 18 February 2014 (GMT)
That doesn't appear to be a personal page the way it is worded. An email is provided so perhaps you could email him. Wikipedia has no source for the Skyrim listing, and most of the info comes from imdb, which is a wiki and isn't a certifiable source (which doesn't list Skyrim as one of his works anyway). Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 21:44, 18 February 2014 (GMT)
Since my previous post of him confirming he was Sanguine was removed for no good reason, so I'll explain why I think the Facebook page is him and not a 3rd party. He's got all sorts possessive pronouns about being interviewed, wanting to do a Reddit AMA, working with people, participating in the Ice Bucket Challenge, going places... It definitely looks like his Facebook page.172.12.96.55 04:08, 17 October 2014 (GMT)
That means nothing. Anyone can write it pretending to be him, and we wouldn't know for sure. They could even be pulling stuff from real things he puts out. I'm not saying it isn't him, but we have to have some sort of official confirmation. Twitter verifies accounts of celebrities and well known people so that a person looking at it can know for sure they are who they say they are. Facebook doesn't do this, so we just can't use it as a source. Jeancey (talk) 05:42, 17 October 2014 (GMT)

() Actually Facebook does verify some musicians/bands/celebrities. Verified accounts on Facebook have a blue check mark next to their names, very similar to Twitter. This account for William Salyers isn't verified. •WoahBro►talk 13:39, 17 October 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Neloth

Noticed there was a bit of contention in the archived talk page about who voice acted Neloth. I don't know how much stock UESP puts into Wikipedia, but Dwight Schultz's page there (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_Schultz) lists him as being Neloth's voice actor. Arthmoor (talk) 08:06, 9 June 2014 (GMT)

I just spent an hour sifting through the references in the Wikipedia article, and I can't find any mention of Skyrim in his credits. His official fansite doesn't include TESV in his bio. Unless I missed something, I would consider this unconfirmed. --Xyzzy Talk 00:19, 9 September 2014 (GMT)
Interestingly enough, this info was added to Wikipedia by a user named Ufd43765, which is the same username as someone who was blocked for adding false info to our pages. Food for thought. --Xyzzy Talk 00:26, 9 September 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Dremora

Aside from anonymous goodwill, the Dremora voices in Skyrim should be instantly recognisable to anyone who has played Oblivion. I think we can bend a little here and list Wes as the actor. —Legoless (talk) 00:37, 13 October 2014 (GMT)

And it's also stated on imdb, and I don't see why that would be wrong (if we ignore the obvious as said above) ~ Dwarfmp (talk) 16:55, 13 October 2014 (GMT)
IMDB is a user created content site, just like UESP. We cannot use anything they have as a sole source for anything. I think it would be best if someone else emailed the actor to at least double check. If we are going to use an email confirmation as proof, I would at least like a second person to receive that confirmation. Jeancey (talk) 19:25, 13 October 2014 (GMT)
I just wanted to throw it out there that even wikipedia has him voicing something in ESO. Even though they are just as much user created as us, they are still one of the most reliable user created sites out there. Lorenut (talk) 19:35, 13 October 2014 (GMT)
This is about Skyrim, not ESO. The ESO page really only has the main people right now, so we have a lot more work to do on that. If he gave confirmation once in an email, I don't see why someone else emailing him asking again would be an issue, and it would at least provide us with two separate confirmations. Jeancey (talk) 19:58, 13 October 2014 (GMT)
Well that's embarrassing! Well in any case on the same page it also says he voiced in skyrim. I am all for getting more confirmation however Jeancey. Thought i would just point that out. Lorenut (talk) 20:05, 13 October 2014 (GMT)
No worries! :) We do know he voiced things in Skyrim. I believe the only thing at issue here is the Dremora. Jeancey (talk) 20:33, 13 October 2014 (GMT)
Well i just got proof that he did in fact voice them in Skyrim. Here is a link to a tweet he sent me on twitter. Hope this helps out. Lorenut (talk) 00:41, 14 October 2014 (GMT)
Works for me since the account is twitter confirmed. Jeancey (talk) 00:42, 14 October 2014 (GMT)
Glad i could help! Lorenut (talk) 00:53, 14 October 2014 (GMT)

[edit] Organize by voice type or by actor?

The Silencer claims that it is more logical to organize this page by voice type than by actor. I don't understand the reasoning there. The name of the page is "Voice Actors", not "Voice Types". If it makes sense to organize by voice type, let's create a "Voice Types" page for that purpose. It seems hard to justify the organization of the "Voice Actors" page by anything other than actor. — Unsigned comment by 68.6.123.36 (talk) at 08:58 on 24 October 2014

I don't know what sort of logic you are using, but swap "Voice Types" for the word "Characters" and then look at how any media informs who played/voiced them, it is always by character. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 21:43, 24 October 2014 (GMT)
Silence is Golden, I believe it is more appropriate to organize the "Voice Actors" page by voice actor than by voice type. To rebut that, you claim that whenever a media presents its cast, "it is always by character". I don't see how that is relevant. Are you implying that the purpose of the "Voice Actors" page is to present the cast of characters in a traditional way? If so, then why not call the page "Cast" or "Characters" or "Cast of Characters"?
I'm not trying to be critical. I'm just trying to tease out a very simple principle of organization. If you want to present information about a character (such as who voices that character), put it on that character's page. If you want to present information about an actor (such as which characters are voiced by that actor), put it on that actor's page. The "Voice Actors" page is clearly either a page for actors, or is misnamed. If it is a page for actors, then my edits were appropriate. If it is misnamed, let's rename it. 68.6.123.36 01:41, 25 October 2014 (GMT)
Honestly, I thought it looked cleaner and was easier to find info when organized by voice actor. That way everything is in a single, sortable table. Aesthetically, I think that option is the best. I think that the point about the page name is also valid. It is called "Voice Actors" so it should be primarily about the voice actors. — Unsigned comment by Jeancey (talkcontribs) at 02:53 on 25 October 2014
This page is correctly named and presented. "Voice Actors" is the "cast" list, which is always presented by character. It is an extremely simple premise that allows for information to be found easier than the other way. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 11:10, 25 October 2014 (GMT)
Silence is Golden, if this is the cast list, then wouldn't it be better named as "Cast List"? You have made it clear that you think a cast list is more useful than a list of actors, but you have not made it clear why a cast list should be titled "Voice Actors". Why do you believe this page is correctly named? 68.6.123.36 15:46, 25 October 2014 (GMT)
Well 68.6.123.36, I explained how it is correctly named, I shall spell it out for you. Media presents a cast list, a list of who played who in a film presented via the main characters down to the bit part players, this allows people to see who played those characters because they will know who the character was but not always the actor. Voice actors is simply an alternate and more accurate name for the cast of a game, just as Voice Types is the alternate for characters. Silence is GoldenBreak the Silence 16:50, 25 October 2014 (GMT)
I must dispute your assertion that "Voice actors is simply an alternate and more accurate name for the cast of a game". "Cast of Characters", "Cast List", and "Cast" all describe a game's cast of characters more accurately than "Voice Actors". Precedent seems to be on the side of calling it "Cast" -- that's what the game itself does in its credits. Ultimately, this comes down to a question of judgment. I respect your judgment, but I'd also like to know what others say. Is a game's cast of characters best referred to as "Voice Actors" or as "Cast of Characters"? 68.6.123.36 17:44, 25 October 2014 (GMT)

() I would say Voice Actors for a game. However, if Bethesda calls them the "Cast", I think it is only proper to go with what Bethesda says (I haven't read through the credits so I don't know what it says). ~ Ad intellige (talk) 17:48, 25 October 2014 (GMT)

[edit] What does it mean to describe "many actors" as "notable"?

The page currently says that the Skyrim cast includes many "notable" actors. My understanding is this page exists to give credit to all Skyrim actors, and not just a subset of those actors. In other words, the raison d'être for this page is that all actors are worthy of notice. And if all actors are notable, then the "many notable actors" phrase means nothing. WoahBro disagrees and says "sure it does". Would you care to explain that position, please, WoahBro? ThuumOfReason says Christopher Plummer and Von Sydow are notable. Yes, but so is everyone else. How does "many notable actors" contribute any information at all? — Unsigned comment by 71.102.129.113 (talk) at 20:10 on 10 November 2014 (GMT)

I believe it was supposed to convey that of Skyrim's voice actors, a number are also known for their work in theatre, film, and television (and may be better known for that work than Skyrim). I've altered the article to hopefully clarify this. Croaker (talk) 20:38, 10 November 2014 (GMT)

(edit conflict) It sounds like you may be reading too much into the meaning of that sentence. It's not referring to all the actors in the game. It's referring to actors who are notable in their own right (i.e., famous or well-known for other roles). Christopher Plummer and Max von Sydow are both actors with long, storied careers. Michael Hogan is another one with a lot of roles under his belt. All the sentence is saying is that they got some well-known actors to provide voicework in addition to the rest of the cast. And to be fair, you can't really compare the fame of guys like Plummer with guys like Popeye Vogelsang, who has about 8 minor acting credits to his name. Zul se onikaanLaan tinvaak 20:41, 10 November 2014 (GMT)

Croaker, Thank you for that edit. It resolves my concern with the original sentence. However, it introduces a couple of new ones:
1) If the sentence is supposed to convey that a number of actors are also known for their work in theatre, film, and television, then why not say "many of whom are also known for their work in theatre, film, and television"? Your actual edit, "many of which are notable actors in theatre, film, and television", is different (notable≠known) and ambiguous (what are they notable for?).
2) As it reads now, the page says the cast features "more than 70 voice actors, many of which are also notable actors in theatre, film, and television". Then it immediately proceeds to list actors. Do you see the ambiguity here? With that construction, it is unclear whether the list following the sentence will consist of voice actors, or voice actors who are also notable actors in theatre, film, and television. 71.102.129.113 22:06, 10 November 2014 (GMT)
Zul se onikaan, Notable means "worthy of notice". It does not mean "famous or well-known for other roles". Without context, it does not, as you suggest, refer to actors who are notable in their own right. If "famous or well-known" is what we want to say, then let's use those words, not "notable". 71.102.129.113 22:06, 10 November 2014 (GMT)
Being famous makes one worthy of note. The sentence is semantically correct and serves its function. I will agree that the wording of the previous version was a little redundant, but it wasn't incorrect. To be honest, I really don't see this as being too big an issue. Zul se onikaanLaan tinvaak 22:44, 10 November 2014 (GMT)
Every voice actor is worthy of note. Otherwise, why are we noting them on this page? And if every actor is worthy of note, then the wording claiming that many actors are notable is worse than "a little redundant"; it is confusing and inappropriate, and deserves removal. If you wish to call special attention to famous or well-known voice actors, be my guest -- but don't pretend that the adjective "notable" does so. (I agree with you that this isn't a big issue, but I tried to make a simple edit and it was reversed twice by WhoahBro and ThuumOfReason, so my only choice was to plead my case on the Talk page.) — Unsigned comment by 71.102.129.113 (talk) at 18:33 on 10 November 2014
I'm going to jump in here and throw my two cents in. I think every single voice actor whose role(s) is/are known should be mentioned here. Of course, actors who are notable for things other than just being in Skyrim should be mentioned for that. Perhaps a table would be the best? Personally, I don't see why this is an issue. Either version looks just fine to me. This is going to seem a bit harsh, but this seems more like a case of "I want my way to be the way". If I offended anyone, I'm sorry. ~ Ad intellige (talk) 23:45, 10 November 2014 (GMT)
You don't have to apologize, Dom, you have every right to voice your opinion, and you made your point in a polite and reasonable way. Personally, I think it's fine as is. The purpose of the page is to list the voice actors for Skyrim, not to list the careers of the actors themselves. That falls outside the scope of this wiki, which is why we link to the imdb pages for each person. If I may be permitted to be blunt myself, we could argue all day about the precise meaning of words, but when the words in place now aren't wrong, I feel it would be more constructive for editors to focus on other issues.
Anon, you also have a right to voice your concerns, and you did the right thing by bringing this to the talk page for discussion. Croaker and I answered your question about the meaning of that phrase, and while I can't speak for him, I think I've answered it to the best of my ability. Our intent isn't to discourage you from editing or make you feel you're not valuable, but we have a set of guidelines on this wiki that dictate the preferred writing style for our articles. If there's anything about our editing style that confuses you, I would be happy to give you a few pointers. Hope this helps! Zul se onikaanLaan tinvaak 00:15, 11 November 2014 (GMT)
Ad intellige: This isn't an "I want my way to be the way" type of thing for me. I don't care whose edits prevail. I just want to make sure people aren't just trying to defend a knee-jerk response to reverse edits they don't understand. With the thoughtful responses I've been receiving here (including your two cents), I think I can see that isn't what is happening.
Zul se onikaan: Right on. No complaints here.
All: I honestly thought that when I pointed out the flaw in the original sentence, everyone would immediately see why "notable" is completely inappropriate, and they would be grateful for my input. But instead, people are saying that the original sentence "wasn't incorrect" or looks "just fine". That is baffling to me; I'm a native English speaker with a minor in English, and to me the original sentence was painfully wrong. I suppose everyone is reading "notable" as "famous" or "well-known", and who knows? -- maybe the word is evolving to mean that. But the dictionary and I haven't caught up with that meaning yet, and there are others like me, I'm sure, who will stumble over any sentence on this wiki which uses "notable" in that way. 71.102.129.113 00:48, 11 November 2014 (GMT)

() Well, the meaning of any word will always be subjective to some degree. You may not think of a famous actor or two as being particularly notable in this context, and maybe that's true. But I consider fame to make someone noteworthy in their own way, even if it's more general noteworthiness than context-specific noteworthiness, and I'm guessing whoever wrote that initially felt the same. Zul se onikaanLaan tinvaak 01:05, 11 November 2014 (GMT)

Now I think you misunderstand my point. The question is not whether a famous actor is notable. The question is whether the word "notable" identifies famous actors (or any other meaningful subset of actors). I believe it does not. 71.102.129.113 01:30, 11 November 2014 (GMT)
The point is that this incredibly minor issue has been discussed and a consensus has been reached, so there is no point in continuing this conversation. I reverted the initial edit because there really wasn't anything completely 'wrong' about the removal of the sentence so it was therefore pointless. The solution that Croaker implemented is perfectly fine as it is and that should be the end of it. I'm pretty sure every editor who has responded here is a native English speaker as well and know what the word "notable" means. It's best to just drop it as there really is no need for further discussion. •WoahBro►talk 01:56, 11 November 2014 (GMT)

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