Oblivion talk:A Brush with Death

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Note: when I did this quest Tivela and Rythe attacked me for no reason after I received the apron. I killed them both in self-defence (and got the "Your actions have been observed by unseen forces" message) and in searching their bodies afterwards, I found they both had "Bralin's Key". No idea what the use of this key may be yet.

Good call moving this to discussion Hashimashadoo. It was late, I was tired and it just didn't occur to me, heh. Jondrasar 01:27, 6 April 2006 (EDT)

Contents 1 "Bralin's Key" etc 2 Bug 3 I retrieved your husband and you'd throw me out?! 4 help... bug 5 Bug 6 Refusing to talk 7 Blocked Nook 8 Duplicating through Repair 9 Turpentine? Who needs turpentine? 10 Painted Sky 11 VN 12 Possible Bug Fix 13 Stuck @ Paintworld.

[edit] "Bralin's Key" etc

"Bralin's Key" is the key for the Lythandas house door.. Rythe and Tivela should have one.

I expect it's called Bralin's key because Rythe was going to be called Bralin originally, or maybe the owner of the house was.. There isn't anyone called Bralin in the game now anyway.

Also, the Apron is level-linked.

Hreheh 22:00, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

[edit] Bug

This was a quest I picked up early on but never bothered with. I'm level 20 now and decided to give it a shot but have hit a bug.

The quest marker points to Tivela's house no problem; but when I get inside, it points back outside again...

I've walked around but can't find Tivela anywhere, so I guess there's no chance of my actually doing this quest.

Anybody else had this problem and been able to solve it? (PC version, btw)

- Wite Noiz 14:54, 15 September 2006 (EDT)

I didn't have exactly this happen, but I did have a green quest marker when I was outside the house. It changed to red when I was inside, even though she was obviously standing right in front of me (and the quest worked normally despite the odd behavior of the marker). It might be related?

i know its late however, i had the same problem. MY guess is she died. i cast this spell 4 times: fortify acrobatics, speed 100 pts/ weakness to magic 100 pts/ feather 100pts for as many seconds as your restoration allows and jumped at the banner aabove the laythanda's door. You land on a ledge and jump and run about on that ledge until you are out of the map. You will need to cling to the ledges out side of the house's graphic until you get around to lythe's locked room. You should be able to get close enough to activate the painting. do the quest and exit. Attack rythe until a guard opens the locked door. You will not get the apron but you can get turpentine(semi-useless)and painted fat(The real reward here) i also got the fame for the quest but gained infamy for beating on rythe you will not get the quest finished update. On xbox 360 but im sure it could be done on any console—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.115.44.223 (talk • contribs).

[edit] I retrieved your husband and you'd throw me out?!

I had left this quest unfinished because when I was at a lower leve, I found the painted trolls were just too difficult. After becoming Champion of Cyrodiil, it seems as though the majority of NPC's' dispositions were either maxed or very close to it, even if I hadn't persuaded them for a long time. I finished this quest, and upon returning from the painting, Rythe gave me the reward, sat down and painted, and told me I was quite welcome in his house, but Tivela was agitated and telling me to get out...but when I would speak to her, she would express gratitude and her disposition was maxed at 100. My feeling is that this is just some weird bug, if many people experience this outcome. Tivela, I dare you to challenge me in the Arena, hahaha...--CharmSpell 19:28, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

I had the same thing when I had broken in to the house to get the quest (couldn't be bothered waiting until dawn). When I came out of the picture, Tivela still thought I was trespassing and told me to get out. Is it possible time had passed while you were in the picture and were therefore in a place you shouldn't have been? --Rpeh^Talk 11:03, 29 June 2007 (EDT)

When returning to the house it may be in the middle of the night when Tivela has locked it up and it's a trespass zone. Once quest-scripted behavior ends, the trespass AI takes over. I've fixed this for the next UOP by having the quest set the public flag on return to the house and then clear it again once the player exits at which point the quest terminates (this was a pain... had to add conditions to all the dialog as they were just quest-state and the wrong topics would keep appearing if the player talked to them before leaving. :^p ) Kivan 19:49, 22 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] help... bug

i have been having this problem for a long time now.... i want to get it done but whenever i go to rythes house it tells me to leave the house. when im outside the house it tells me to go in , and so on. does anyone know if i can fix this? what do i do? where is the lady? i would appreciate any help please.

See my comment to the previous question. It (probably) thinks you're trespassing. Try coming back in the hours of daylight or just talking to Tivela anyway. --Rpeh^Talk 16:40, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Bug

• If you accidentally kill Tivela before starting this quest, you may never continue further in this quest. You can open Rythe's study door by using player.additem 0001bc2c 1 code on the script console but that is it. I couldnt move further and enter the painting :( —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 128.61.82.111 (talk • contribs).

-Moved from main page Daedryon^{•T•C•E•} 01:13, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Refusing to talk

I did the first bit fine, but then Rythes just wouldn't talk to me...? Help —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 202.36.75.192 (talk • contribs) on 5 October 2008.

Could you give us more information? What quest stages did you complete, and what does Rythes say to you? --Timenn < talk > 05:47, 6 October 2008 (EDT)

I've had this happen to me. Reloading the autosave from when I first entered the painting fixed the problem. I did a little experimentation and it seems to be related to attempting to talk to him before the quest update message appears.

Exactly. This bug is due to the weird quest stage progression script. It's not updated quickly enough. The quest stage has to be >=40 before the guy will talk to you. So when you enter the painted world, just stand there and wait until it is updated. If this quest is not set as your current quest, it will take ages until the quest stage is updated. It is possible to talk to Rythes before the quest is updated, but the topics list will be empty. To fix: open MS14PortalCanvasScript in TES and add "SetStage MS14 40" before "endif". WRFan 13:37, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked Nook

Re the VN tag on "Running straight out from where you first enter this level will reveal a nook in the rocks that you can fit into, yet the trolls cannot. This makes this level extremely easy because you can run through the level attracting all of the trolls, and then simply stand in this nook and use ranged attacks to finish them off": it's definitely there and unblocked on both a vanilla and a fully-patched PC version. I suspect the report of the nook being blocked on the PS3 may be incorrect. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 08:42, 22 December 2008 (EST)

I'm playing on the PS3 version, and it's there and usable. 76.115.32.227 17:21, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Duplicating through Repair

(moved from the article)

After receiving the Apron of Adroitness if you repair it beyond 100% sometimes it will duplicate itself.

I've tested this on all six versions of the apron and can't get this to happen. There's nothing in the mechanics of the game that would allow it, and I believe that if it happened at all, it was just a one off. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 08:50, 11 April 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Turpentine? Who needs turpentine?

Painted trolls seem to be exceptionally weak against fire. At level 1 a 20 damage fire spell will take them out in one hit, even if you have low Destruction skill. If you're concerned about alchemy you're likely a magic-type anyway, so there's no reason not to collect all 6 painted troll fat.

I keep the Turpentine for a souviner for the quest. It's unique.--Arch-Mage Matt 01:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

It's one of the heaviest poisons in the game, though. They each weigh a pound, which matters a lot if you're a pack-rat like I am. And Painted Trolls are just regular Trolls with a unique mesh file, so they have the Troll's regular Weakness to Fire. --Darkheart 13:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Painted Sky

After exiting Rythe's house, the sky from the Painted World does not change. This might be attributed to a some-what dirty disc of mine, or perhaps is a glitch. I am on the 360. 76.171.21.162 22:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

That could be attributed to the weather transition being somewhat slower than normal. You can try entering and exiting an interior cell again, or just waiting for a little while. --Timenn-<talk> 11:09, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

That might be so. I went outside of Chorrol and the sky was still there. (At 12:03 AM, night-time. It was sunny according to the sky.) I fast-traveled to Chorrol and the weather changed, and the normal sky was brought up again. I did keep a save of it before I did that, though. 76.171.21.162 16:53, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] VN

• After returning from the Painted World, you can repeatedly talk to Rythe and get an infinite number of Aprons of Adroitness.

Anyone willing to confirm? --Darkheart 22:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I could not get this to happen. I only receive one copy, no matter how many times I talk to him. I tried repeatedly talking to him before, during and after he is supposed to talk with his wife, but to no avail. I've deleted this bug from the article, because it does not seem likely. It might be a slip-up from your game. Wolok gro-Barok 16:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

You use the UOP? --Darkheart 17:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm playing on the PS3, so version 1.2 Wolok gro-Barok 18:44, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I play 1.2 on the PC, and on the same game I went back again a few days later and kept getting Aprons, and at the same time the Rythe Lythandas topic in Cheydinhal still keeps saying he's missing, even though the quest is completed. Weird. --Darkheart 17:45, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Possible Bug Fix

Hello. I'm new. Just call me Shadegirl if you wish. (I'm a Hassildor fan...but that's off topic) I am merely here because of an interesting fix to a bug that I had encountered. I have not seen anyone mention this bug (so to speak) or this type of possible fix, so I wish to share my experience even if it is a bit late. A bug about getting trapped in the Painted World has been mentioned on the page, but my situation came up when Rythe decided to walk in an endless circle after giving him the paintbrush.

So here we go. I had gone to level 2 and decided to go ahead and do this quest early rather than put it off anymore. I get to the end of it where I have to hand Rythe his paintbrush (having saved before hand due to mentioned bugs), but instead of doing anything he gets stuck walking in a circle at the top of the hill, which meant I was stuck. I re-loaded, the same thing happened, and I thought that I was never going to be able to complete the quest (mind that I still had a save before having ever accepted the quest or gone into the painting just for such a situation).

Rather than give up, I shamelessly youtubed this quest just to be sure that I wasn't missing the door some way, and I discovered something important: the door had to be painted at a certain spot on the hill, which meant if he wasn't in that spot, then he would never paint the door. So to fix my problem, I re-loaded to a point before giving him the paintbrush, attacked him, lured him out of his "circular trap," and yielded to him a little bit beyond the point where he need to be (because he walks off so quickly after accepting the yield). Once there, I quickly spoke to him, gave him the paintbrush, and he FINALLY painted the doorway out of the Painted World. It was as simple as that.

I do not know if this fix will be helpful to anyone else, but I figured that there was no harm in mentioning it since it did help me. Please excuse me if I happened to miss something aforementioned already since I did skim the topics.

Also, I read that the Painted Troll Fat cannot be duplicated with the Enchanted Chest, so I figured that I would mention that the Duplication Glitch with the scrolls works perfectly fine for cloning Painted Troll Fat where the chest does not; this is handy for people who want more of it. Hopefully, this isn't considered a bad thing though. Shadegirl07 22:57, 27 October 2009 (UTC)Shadegirl07

Nothing wrong your comment, don't worry. Instead, thanks for the detailed and clear post.

Rythe standing on the right spot might indeed be the trigger that is needed for the gateway to appear. Sadly I don't have access to the Construction Set at the moment, but I will look into it. There seems to be a bug note related to this article, but it could definitely be improved by the information provided here. --Timenn-<talk> 15:06, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Well that's good to hear. ^^ Glad to have helped a little. Shadegirl07 19:18, 29 October 2009 (UTC)Shadegirl07

[edit] Stuck @ Paintworld.

Hi, I'm stuck @ the painted world. Whatever I do I can't go out. I tried everything to help it. When I pickpocket him he doesn't even wear a paint brush or anything. I don't want to go to the previous save cause, I was level 30 and now im level 45. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.119.201.31 (talk • contribs) on 3 November 2009.

At what point are you stuck, precisely? Make sure you've seen the Bugs section on this article. --Timenn-<talk> 15:00, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I was bugged. The portal to go back to the normal world weren't going visible/open. So I thought, Let's pickpocket him and do it self. Now I pickpocketed him, and dropped the brush but it's gone now. He doens't have it anymore. If I attack him and yield, it won't go open. I really want to go to the real world now. Don't wanna go on with my previous save, cause it's so long ago. Thanks in advanced.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.119.201.31 (talk • contribs) on 16:01, 3 November 2009.

Please help me. I still can't play. Can't someone tell me a code or something that I go back to the real world\?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.119.201.13 (talk • contribs) on 21:54, 4 November 2009.

coc CheydinhalMagesGuild . This will move you to the Cheydinhal Mages Guild, buyt you will not be able to complete this quest once you use it. --Darkheart 02:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks man. Does it work on the PS3?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.149.202.67 (talk • contribs) on 10:51, 5 November 2009.

No, because console commands do not work for the PS3. ^Talk Wolok gro-Barok _{Contributions} 13:30, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, if you have stolen and lost his paintbrush there is no other solution than reloading an earlier savegame. Rythe actually needs that paintbrush to allow him to create the portal. --Timenn-<talk> 15:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Ok guys, Thanks for everything :). I reloaded and I'm back 45 now.