Oblivion talk:Souls

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Contents 1 True Daedra? 2 "True Daedra" no more 3 Leveled Souls 4 Pumpkin 5 Menrunes Dagon

[edit] True Daedra?

A statement at the bottom suggests that Black souls can only be gotten from NPCs (including vampires), True Daedra, and Dremora. What is meant by the phrase "True Daedra", and what Daedra are there, other than Dremora, which have Black souls? Pretty sure that statement is unnecessary... --TheRealLurlock ^Talk 15:18, 4 December 2006 (EST)

[edit] "True Daedra" no more

Sure, took that away. Now it's just "Dremora". There may be other black souls than those, but I don't personally know of any. However, if you do know of any more, feel free to add them. --Lord E ^Talk 21:51, 4 December 2006 (GMT+1h)

[edit] Leveled Souls

I've just revised this table to correctly describe how leveled souls work in the game. I'll be slowly working through all the individual creature pages to update them as well, so that everything provides a consistent description.

The previous assumption used when creating all these tables was that the soul level shown in the construction set was the minimum possible soul for that creature; a "+" sign was put next to the soul to indicate that it could be higher than that value. For example "Undead Akaviri Soldier" was listed as "Common+". However, I've been testing this, and it's not correct. "Undead Akaviri Soldiers" can have any soul from petty to grand. The soul level shown for leveled creatures in the construction set is completely irrelevant, and is not used in any way to determine the actual soul level. The parameters that actually matter are the level offset, the minimum level, and the maximum level.

I've tried to explain how the soul strengths work on the main page; hopefully that basically makes sense to everyone. For creatures that only have a limited range of souls, I'm trying to provide that info in the soul column, for example with "<=Lesser", or ">=Greater". For other creatures, there's not really any meaningful value that can be placed in the soul column, so I'm just putting "leveled". And then I'm adopting superscripts to show the exact offset for people who want to work out exactly what level creature they're going to encounter. Hopefully that makes sense to everyone; let me know what you think.

As an aside, I've also tested creature health, and discovered that the level offset is a factor in the health. I've updated all the healths on the Undead page accordingly, and as I work through the rest of the creature pages I'll be fixing those, too.

--Nephele 15:26, 28 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Pumpkin

I have an Xbox 360 so I don't know if the soul is fixed or not but the dog in the back of rock milk cave (nicknamed Pumpkin) seems to have a grand soul-extremly easy to kill in my oppinion, I found this out by accident, don't even know if its a glitch or not... ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.102.228.59 (talk • contribs).} (comment moved here from main article)

As you can see if you check the page providing details on Pumpkin the dog, Pumpkin's soul is leveled. Therefore most readers will not get a grand soul from killing Pumpkin. And if you're at a high enough level to get a grand soul from Pumpkin, then a huge number of other leveled creatures will also have grand souls. So I don't think it's particularly noteworthy to single out just one (non-respawning) example out of the hundreds of leveled creatures that exist in the game. As it already says in the article, "The individual creature pages provide full details on the souls of every creature that can be encountered." --Nephele^Talk 13:42, 24 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Menrunes Dagon

I read on the 'creatures' page that it is possible to kill menrunes Dagon with certain items, and magicka. Is it possible to SOULTRAP him?--Juz 15:31, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

Not that it particularly matters, But the Soul of Menrunes Dagon would be useful.--Juz 19:53, 13 March 2008 (EDT)

As it says on his page, he doesn't actually have a soul, which is why he doesn't get a mention on this page. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 11:53, 15 March 2008 (EDT)