Oblivion talk:The Siren's Deception

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Contents 1 Returning Heirlooms 2 Gogan and Maelona respawning 3 New Bug 4 Quest stage 5 Early Attack bug 6 Console Glitch 7 Dark Brotherhood

[edit] Returning Heirlooms

Note, the oaken-Hall heirloom can be given back to its rightful owner.

I've moved this note here from the main page, because it contradicts what is stated at Heinrich Oaken-Hull's page. And I don't see any references to this heirloom in the construction set that suggest that the heirloom can be returned. Can anyone provide more details on how exactly this item is supposed to be returned? Is there a topic that shows up with Heinrich allowing you to talk about it? Does he thank you or say anything in exchange? Does he take the heirloom from you? Or are you just saying that you can place the heirloom in his house if you want to? --Nephele 00:49, 17 February 2007 (EST)

I've just been through Oaken-Hull's dialogue in the construction set, I can't find anything regarding giving the heirloom back. I'd say the above statement is wrong. Th232 06:01, 17 February 2007 (EST)

It's possible that whoever wrote that statement was thinking of the Fighter's Guild Quest, "Den of Thieves", in which you can return a stolen flagon to Newheim the Portly. -- Darkle 22:53, 10 September 2007

[edit] Gogan and Maelona respawning

Actually Gogan and Maelona doesn't respawn in Anvil if killed in the farmhouse. They are different NPCs: there is the normal NPCs in Anvil and the guard NPCs in the farmhouse.

[edit] New Bug

I found a bug on this on the 360. I tried talking to the owner of the Flowing Bowl when the two women were there and accidentally picked something up from the bar, I was arrested for stealing. When I went back to the Flowing Bowl, I went through the quest as normal, killed the two women when they attacked, then went to the farm to take care of the third member of the gang at 11 PM, but now I can't get into the farmhouse because it is locked. I think the problem is that I came out here after I was arrested and went inside to wait and when nobody showed up, I went back to the Flowing Bowl, where I found them. So now I am stuck and unable to finish this quest. ^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.137.139.157 (talk • contribs).}

It sounds to me like you've done it in the wrong order. Are you saying you killed the two women in the Flowing Bowl? If so, that's your problem. You need to take all three on inside the Farmhouse. You'll have to reload from an earlier save or use the console. --Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 12:01, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Quest stage

How is the stage obtained wherein Faustina is arrested by the Anvil City Guard? --Merco 13:47, 5 November 2007 (EST)

[edit] Early Attack bug

Is there anyway possible to fix that glitch where your character gets attacked by the sirens before you can even talk to them? I'm on the part where you find Signy and Faustina at the Flowing Bowl Inn, I go in and wait a few seconds, and then Signy and Faustina enters, but before Faustina can even tell me that Signy wants to talk to me, Signy pulls out her dagger and starts attacking me. I have tried reloading, using Moonshadow so she can't see me immediately but nothing I do works and she still attacks me the second she detects that i'm there. Is there anyway I can fix this glitch?

[edit] Console Glitch

Yet another glitch: Faustina and the 2nd gang member might show up at the Flowing Bowl even without the player going to jail. If you enter the farmhouse at the right time and yet no one appears, either reload or exit using the console (see below) as you will unfortunately be trapped inside, then look at the Flowing Bowl. Kill Faustina and the 2nd gang member, then go back to the farmhouse to kill the third and meet with the guards.

I've moved this here from the article's bugs section, because I think the problem is just overly liberal use of console commands. In particular, if you choose to exit the Flowing Bowl using a coc command instead of going out the front door as you are supposed to, then you will mess up the quest's scripts. But problems caused by using the console are not bugs, and therefore should not be included in the quest's bugs section. --Nephele^Talk 13:48, 16 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Dark Brotherhood

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• • • Alternatively, it sometimes occurs that you can kill all three women and see the message "Your killing has been observed by forces unknown...." even if you did not increase your Disposition with Signy or Faustina beforehand. The quest can still be completed normally, and you can go to sleep (the fastest would be to take the door to the basement and sleep on a bed there) to trigger the first meeting with Lucien Lachance.

I moved this because not only does it have the weasel word "sometimes", but I'm not sure what it means anyway. It looks as if it's referring to the same thing as is already mentioned on the article (albeit in a non-glitch situation). In any case, I don't think it's necessary on a page unrelated to the Dark Brotherhood. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 11:29, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

If you attack Faustina (I think it's her that first speaks with you when you enter the farmhouse) after the dialog with her ends but before she draws her weapon and attacks you it will count as a murder and the message "Your killing has been observed by forces unknown..." will appear. You will not get a bounty. I think it should go back in the article explained along those lines. Any thoughts? -Kyle 20 May 2008

It would need verification on the bounty point plus can the quest be completed afterwards? I'm still not really sure that it needs to be on here at all though. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 05:08, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

I know that I've done it twice at least. Faustina will yell for help as if it were an assault but she will eventually draw her weapon and attack you with the other two, all the while yelling for help. Once you kill Faustina the message will appear. Gogan and Maelona enter after the girls are dead and explain and give you the reward. I slept in the farmhouse bed and Lucian approaches me with the guards right there. I think it would be beneficial to have it in the "notes" section, as it isn't really relevant to the quest, but still good to know. I think the reason the bounty doesn't show up is because no one sees you attack Faustina. It's just like any other Dark Brotherhood quest. You're only guilty if you're caught. -Kyle 22 May 2008