Oblivion talk:The Siren's Deception

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[edit] Returning Heirlooms

Note, the oaken-Hall heirloom can be given back to its rightful owner.

I've moved this note here from the main page, because it contradicts what is stated at Heinrich Oaken-Hull's page. And I don't see any references to this heirloom in the construction set that suggest that the heirloom can be returned. Can anyone provide more details on how exactly this item is supposed to be returned? Is there a topic that shows up with Heinrich allowing you to talk about it? Does he thank you or say anything in exchange? Does he take the heirloom from you? Or are you just saying that you can place the heirloom in his house if you want to? --Nephele 00:49, 17 February 2007 (EST)

I've just been through Oaken-Hull's dialogue in the construction set, I can't find anything regarding giving the heirloom back. I'd say the above statement is wrong. Th232 06:01, 17 February 2007 (EST)

It's possible that whoever wrote that statement was thinking of the Fighter's Guild Quest, "Den of Thieves", in which you can return a stolen flagon to Newheim the Portly. -- Darkle 22:53, 10 September 2007

[edit] Gogan and Maelona respawning

Actually Gogan and Maelona doesn't respawn in Anvil if killed in the farmhouse. They are different NPCs: there is the normal NPCs in Anvil and the guard NPCs in the farmhouse.

[edit] New Bug

I found a bug on this on the 360. I tried talking to the owner of the Flowing Bowl when the two women were there and accidentally picked something up from the bar, I was arrested for stealing. When I went back to the Flowing Bowl, I went through the quest as normal, killed the two women when they attacked, then went to the farm to take care of the third member of the gang at 11 PM, but now I can't get into the farmhouse because it is locked. I think the problem is that I came out here after I was arrested and went inside to wait and when nobody showed up, I went back to the Flowing Bowl, where I found them. So now I am stuck and unable to finish this quest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.137.139.157 (talk • contribs).

It sounds to me like you've done it in the wrong order. Are you saying you killed the two women in the Flowing Bowl? If so, that's your problem. You need to take all three on inside the Farmhouse. You'll have to reload from an earlier save or use the console. --Rpeh•T•C•E• 12:01, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

[edit] Quest stage

How is the stage obtained wherein Faustina is arrested by the Anvil City Guard? --Merco 13:47, 5 November 2007 (EST)

I wish to know that as well.99.237.166.44 08:10, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
It can't be obtained (except by using the console) as no script ever refers to it. It must have been left over from development. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 06:23, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
  • While we're at it, how can you get the stage where the male player removes his weapons and armor? Is it possible to be approavhed by the gang even if you're not on the quest? --Darkheart 19:31, 26 April 2009 (EDT)
It doesn't look like you can. The stage is only set during "MS04BedSCRIPT", which checks that the player has no clothing on, doesn't have his sword out and that a variable called "undressing" is set to 1. That variable is defined in MS04Script with a comment that says "set to 1 when player agrees to undress", but never appears to be set - unless I've missed something. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 09:40, 30 April 2009 (EDT)

[edit] Early Attack bug

Is there anyway possible to fix that glitch where your character gets attacked by the sirens before you can even talk to them? I'm on the part where you find Signy and Faustina at the Flowing Bowl Inn, I go in and wait a few seconds, and then Signy and Faustina enters, but before Faustina can even tell me that Signy wants to talk to me, Signy pulls out her dagger and starts attacking me. I have tried reloading, using Moonshadow so she can't see me immediately but nothing I do works and she still attacks me the second she detects that i'm there. Is there anyway I can fix this glitch?

[edit] Console Glitch

Yet another glitch: Faustina and the 2nd gang member might show up at the Flowing Bowl even without the player going to jail. If you enter the farmhouse at the right time and yet no one appears, either reload or exit using the console (see below) as you will unfortunately be trapped inside, then look at the Flowing Bowl. Kill Faustina and the 2nd gang member, then go back to the farmhouse to kill the third and meet with the guards.

I've moved this here from the article's bugs section, because I think the problem is just overly liberal use of console commands. In particular, if you choose to exit the Flowing Bowl using a coc command instead of going out the front door as you are supposed to, then you will mess up the quest's scripts. But problems caused by using the console are not bugs, and therefore should not be included in the quest's bugs section. --NepheleTalk 13:48, 16 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] Dark Brotherhood

(moved from the article)
      • Alternatively, it sometimes occurs that you can kill all three women and see the message "Your killing has been observed by forces unknown...." even if you did not increase your Disposition with Signy or Faustina beforehand. The quest can still be completed normally, and you can go to sleep (the fastest would be to take the door to the basement and sleep on a bed there) to trigger the first meeting with Lucien Lachance.

I moved this because not only does it have the weasel word "sometimes", but I'm not sure what it means anyway. It looks as if it's referring to the same thing as is already mentioned on the article (albeit in a non-glitch situation). In any case, I don't think it's necessary on a page unrelated to the Dark Brotherhood. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 11:29, 14 May 2008 (EDT)

If you attack Faustina (I think it's her that first speaks with you when you enter the farmhouse) after the dialog with her ends but before she draws her weapon and attacks you it will count as a murder and the message "Your killing has been observed by forces unknown..." will appear. You will not get a bounty. I think it should go back in the article explained along those lines. Any thoughts? -Kyle 20 May 2008
It would need verification on the bounty point plus can the quest be completed afterwards? I'm still not really sure that it needs to be on here at all though. –Rpeh•T•C•E• 05:08, 21 May 2008 (EDT)

I know that I've done it twice at least. Faustina will yell for help as if it were an assault but she will eventually draw her weapon and attack you with the other two, all the while yelling for help. Once you kill Faustina the message will appear. Gogan and Maelona enter after the girls are dead and explain and give you the reward. I slept in the farmhouse bed and Lucian approaches me with the guards right there. I think it would be beneficial to have it in the "notes" section, as it isn't really relevant to the quest, but still good to know. I think the reason the bounty doesn't show up is because no one sees you attack Faustina. It's just like any other Dark Brotherhood quest. You're only guilty if you're caught. -Kyle 22 May 2008

Can we at least mention that it is a good way to get into the Dark Brotherhood if you haven't already done so? -Kyle 17:35, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

I just had this happen to me. It was on the 360, so obviously no mods were active. I went through the quest as normal, and everything was proceeding properly upon reaching the farmhouse. I confronted the gang, and upon killing them I got the "Your Killing Has Been Observed..." message. I wasn't specifically paying attention to whether I was the one who struck first, but I suppose I must have been. I came here looking for answers, and found this talk page. Really though, I think this information should be on the main page. It seems to have been positively confirmed, and very relevant. 98.235.36.146 13:22, 5 October 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Returning.

Can you give back any of the items you get in the farmhouse? - Lucky the Cat Guy 02:27, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

As it says on the article: "It is not possible to return these items to their original owners, so you are free to keep the items for your own use." –Rpeh•T•C•E• 02:51, 9 August 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Trapped bug and Shivering Isles

In PS3, if you have the GOTY Edition and you're playing the game in a language that is not English, you can bypass the bug of being trapped inside the house with no options by changing the console language to English (I play on Spanish), BUT this has a very big problem: when you exit the house, maybe not at the moment, a message will appear stating that a door has appeared on Niben Bay (Shivering Isles entrance). This message appears always at the beginning of the game but if this happens you won't be capable of entering Shivering Isles, if you go to talk to the guy that gives access nothing happens. You can change language again to English but then really weird things could happen. This happened to several people and I don't know if it happens on other platforms. It would be nice if you mention this bug so people know it. It's a pity because this mission can ruin a lot of advances if you don't know it.

[edit] No one is in the house!

When i went in the door locked behind me and i couldnt enter the basement and i was trapped with no1 with me. I am using a ps3 with the shivering isles expansion pack please help!

[edit] stuck in house after completing dreamworld

Moved from Oblivion:Glitches/Proposed.

at first i completed this quest where i had to kill the gang of women becaus they were robbing men! then i fell asleep with the dream world amulet on and i had to do the quest and upon returning to the real world i cannot get out of this house it says i need a key i have searched every noook and crany for it and i cant find it . if this has happened to u email me and tell me how u got out! plz litekwa22@yahoo.com thank u —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 96.236.21.54 (talk • contribs) on 18 August 2009.

[edit] Sirens of Greek Mythology

Is it possible that the Sirens were named after the Sirens of Greek Mythology? There are definitely similarities.--Mptrj 04:26, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

True, but the same could be said for minotaurs or any of the other numerous mythological monsters. The fact is that these creatures (and characters designed around their real world mythos) have become so commonplace in video games that it really doesn't warrant a mention any longer. -Dlarsh(Talk,Contribs) 04:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

[edit] quest stage 110

the quest stage 110 states that the gaurds take faustina into custody... is there any way to do this?--Arch-Mage Matt 19:25, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

See section Quest Stage above. --Darkheart 00:47, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
oops! sorry--Arch-Mage Matt 01:13, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
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