UESPWiki:Reference Desk
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[edit] Questions and Discussion
[edit] Paying fines in The Shivering Isles
Here's the deal. I'm playing around the Isles and committin' some crimes. However, when either a Seducer or Saint catch me, they only give me the options to "Go with guard" and "Fight guard", but no "Pay fine". So I'm wondering, is this a bug or do I go somewhere else?
- I've only ever gotten the option to "pay fine" when I've finished the main quest, myself. It's probably a bug, from what I've heard, but others may know better. Glenmorial 20:14, 17 May 2009 (EDT)
[edit] Vampirism Cure?
After becoming a vampire and completing the cure quest, I used the console to go to testhall and become a vampire again. Now, I don't want it anymore and I'm trying to get rid of it, but no console commands seem to work. Is there any way to cure console-induced vampirism? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.184.84.185 (talk • contribs) on 27 May 2009.
- My best guess is: use the console. If you used it in the first place, simply take the process a step back. --SerCenKing Talk 16:49, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
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- Try this section. It includes the codes to cure vampirism. --Mr. Oblivion(T-C) 17:20, 27 May 2009 (EDT)
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(outdent) Try using a Cure Disease effect of some kind immediately after using the Console commands and see if that works. It's a common problem even in-game. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 22:08, 2 June 2009 (EDT)
[edit] Removing Attenuator of Judgment on PS3 ?
I`ve been playing oblivion GotY since the start of 2009,are now stuck, and have been for 2 weeks now. I`ve got 4 Attenuator of Judgment in my inventory, because I unfortunately took it twice when I`ve been looting my clone( Real dumb,I know). Due to this Im unable to activate the Resonator of Judgment in SI in the quest- A Better Mousetrap-.
- Tried to break out of jail, (since according to my research, any quest items should Not be in my inventory, only if I serve my time) But each time, all the quest items keeps returning as soon as I step outside.
- Tried to make use of the bug in -Vampirism Cure- (http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Shivering:A_Better_Mousetrap)
By getting into jail, break out but still in the jail room and save my game. Then quit the game and changes default language from English/Danish to German, then load the game..and now I only have "missing name" quest items when I leave jail, and are able to put them in containers. And the SI quest - A strange Door in Niebenbay- appears after a 24 hours waiting. This is where my plan of meating Sheo. and getting the attenuator of Judgment again, make the quest, save and change back to Danish totaly falls appart. Because when the message " a Strange Door" appears, it shows on the map, that the door to SI is located next to fort alessia just under the imperial city, which is wrong, there is nothing there and niether at the locating where it should be, so much for my plan.
- Tried doing the jail trick and switching to German in the SI also, and when i loaded the game again in english, I found myself in the imperial city in some hotel with ghosts from the " ghost of vitharn" quest, fighting each other.
I`m loosing my temper.I dont have another save game where i only have one Attenuator of Judgment, so that is not an option. Really hope there are some you that can help me out. Thanks so much By the way this is the European versin—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sonne (talk • contribs) on 10:05, 30 May 2009 (EDT).
[edit] a bad bug in the "tes 3 morrowind-game of the year edition"
ok this drives me crazy. its in the main quest at the house redoran hortator part. when i got accepted as hortator of every1 in the counsil exept he who wont accept, and i came to the "duel" part,when i speak with the dude that wont accept (when he is in his manor and not the arena) there is no duel topic in the conversation...how do i fix this/get around it?
kinda need some help and sorry if this is in the wrong part of this page ^^;
[edit] Cheryndial Mages Guild Quest
I've done something quite wrong. I dropped the ring of burden before the quest update and didn't save the game before. Is it now impossible to complete the quest?PGTips 12:31, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
- If you're on the PC, you can always either give yourself one or force-complete the quest. If you're on a gaming console, you'll have to find where you dropped it. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 17:33, 5 June 2009 (EDT)
I'm on 360 and i can't find it anywhere. It's that bug and apperently i can't find it againPGTips 04:55, 7 June 2009 (EDT)
[edit] Sheogorath-Shaped Amber
I am looking for the Sheogorath-shaped amber in the shivering isles, but I cannot seem to find it. I know that it randomly appears in an amber stump or limb, but my question is if I have already gone into a cave but have not opened an amber stump or limb, will the contents of that stump or limb randomly change if I save before I go in for the second time? If so, is there another way to get the Sheogorath-shaped amber? I am trying to complete all quests possible in the game. I am playing on a 360.
- If you've already gone into a cave, then the loot in all containers is fixed. It has been proven on the PC (which uses the same files as the 360) that it's possible to never be able to find Sheogorath-shaped amber if you're unlucky. If you can find a dungeon (or whatever) that you've never been into that has an amber stump in it, your best bet is to save outside that dungeon and then enter it repeatedly until you find the SSA. If it's on a different level of the dungeon than the main entrance, you only need to save outside the entry to that level. --Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 16:22, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
[edit] Why does my infamy go up even when i do nothing wrong?
I recently went on the Pilgrimage quest for the Knights of the Nine plug in, which lowered my infamy to zero. I then completes the next quest in the quest chain without doing any dark brotherhood/ thieves guild quests, thieving or murdering someone, or doing anything bad. I then prayed at an altar but it wouldnt let me so i checked my stats and saw that i had 1 fame and 104 infamy!!! How did this happen???
[edit] Unofficial Oblivion Patch
If I download this patch, will anything be affected in-game besides the errors that the patch fixes? LilAB 14:32, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
- No, I don't think so, but don't take my word for it! Read through the description here, which includes a link to what the patch changes here. –Eshetalk 14:39, 18 June 2009 (EDT)
[edit] Dark Brotherhood Murderer
I brought the Khajiit Murderer with me to do the "Den of Thieves" quest fromt he Fighters Guild and then he died in there. It has been a week now, be he hasn't respawned yet and when I go to the Cheydinhal Sanctuary and try to get one of the other Murderers with me, they say that I already have someone else following me. How can I get him back? Is there any way to fix it? −LilAB 20:54, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
- Press on the floor or anything on the floor (ex. rug) and then type "placeatme <BaseID>" without the quotations in the console(~). −98.176.188.24 21:16, 19 June 2009 (EDT)
[edit] Missing NPC
I am doing skrivvas first quest for the thieves guild, i talked to amusei. But when i go to Castle Leyawin to talk to the countess's handmaiden she isnt in the castle and a map marker appears out on the road, when i go to the location indicated there is no one there, ive searched the surrounding areas but i cant find her. Can i finish this quest without her help? If i cant does anyone know what happened to her?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.87.238.76 (talk • contribs) on 15:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC).
- The Countess and her handmaiden are known to take trips. See her page. –Elliot(T-C) 15:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry if my previous question wasnt specific enough. The Countess is in the castle it is just her handmaiden that is MIA. Do i need the handmaiden to finish this quest?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.87.238.76 (talk • contribs) on 15:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC).
- I strongly suggest you read the quest walkthrough at Ahdarji's Heirloom. And yes, you can finish the quest without her 'handmaiden'. Wolok gro-Barok 18:33, 9 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry if my previous question wasnt specific enough. The Countess is in the castle it is just her handmaiden that is MIA. Do i need the handmaiden to finish this quest?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 173.87.238.76 (talk • contribs) on 15:51, 9 July 2009 (UTC).
[edit] omg!
hey can someone help me! got morrowind on computer and i dk how to delete save games. its reaaaallllyyy annoyin me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 124.187.8.12 (talk • contribs) on 9 July 2009.
[edit] Oblivion: Accidents Happen
(moved to Oblivion talk:Accidents Happen#Loosen_/_Remove_Fastenings)
[edit] Hawkhaven
I have Oblivion on Xbox360, and I really want to get to Hawkhaven (the test world that has every item). Can you reach it by doing the Frostcrag Spire glitch, and, if not, is there another way?
[edit] 4th Book In Imperial City Sewers
I am on the PS3 and I have 3 of the 4 books to complete the side quest of some secret society. There is an unavoidable fight in the sewer and after everyone is killed two of the four people in the fight are gone and there are no bodies. And so, the guy I met with the 4th and final book is nowhere to be found and there is nothing in the quest journal telling me what happened.
What's more, there is nothing on this or any other site even remotely mentioning this quest?
- That sounds very much like the quest The Path of Dawn. Take a look HERE. Krusty 16:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Stuck in Test World
I recently used the Frostcrag Spire glitch to get to the Test World, saved and exited. Later, I opened that save and when I tried to fast travel the game froze. I am now stuck in the Test World. Any advice?
[edit] Encumberence
I have a bunch of enchanted items with the effect Feather, but when I equip them all I have less total effect than I should. It's particularly bad with the Grey Fox's Cowl. Any help? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yyz13 (talk • contribs) on 22 July 2009.
- If I'm understanding you correctly, it's a knwon bug with the feather effect and there's nothing you can do about it. –rpeh•T•C•E• 06:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] When is the best level(s) to go for the best swords???
I want to get umbra and then later on goldbran, should i wait until levels 30+ to get umbra so i can have the best bonuses???? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hoobillac87 (talk • contribs) on 23:18, 22 July 2009 (UTC).
- Basically it comes to personal preference. The swords are best at that level, so I would say so. However, the swords are both rather good at Level 20. --Elliot(T-C) 23:18, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Turning a Blind Eye
After going back to the Gray Fox to complete the quest, the quest isn't moved to the completed page. Even after 3 (game) days, the Gray Fox stays seated in the Bruma-house, and i don't receive the next quest (though i have fenced enough). I gave the quest some other tries but still with the same result. I guess the problem is I get an quest update ("I found the Temple of the Ancestor Moths. Now I just have to locate Savilla's Stone. Maybe I can persuade one of the monks to help me.") when i want to open the door to the Temple of the Moth halls (2nd part, after the crypt where the brother takes me). Normally i should get this update when i arrive at the temple and before i go talk to the brothers, i guess... BTW: it's on PS3. Any suggestions? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 91.176.254.104 (talk • contribs) on 29 July 2009.
- What is the most recent quest update you received? If you haven't got the "I have Savilla's Stone. Now to get back to Helvius Cecia's house in Bruma." update, there's no point heading back to the GF. –rpeh•T•C•E• 09:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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- I have the stone and received the update to return to Bruma. I gave the stone to Gray Fox, received my reward and at the end of the dialogue he states we have to leave the house and leave Helvius at peace (or something like that). The quest updates to say i'll have to wait until the Gray Fox will call on me again. So everything seems right, but i don't get the 'quest completed'-update or the update about the amount of gold i fenced for 'independent thievery' and so Amusei always tells me the usual among thieves dialogue.
- When i try to go and get Savilla's Stone without talking to the brothers and one of them takes me to the door in the crypt, i receive the quest update "I found the Temple of the Ancestor Moths. Now I just have to locate Savilla's Stone. Maybe I can persuade one of the monks to help me." when i just come out of the well after i got the stone and left the underground dungeons. But when i go talk to the brothers before i enter the dungeons and the brother leads me to the door, than i get that same quest update when i try to open the door to the second part, right after the crypt. The problem seems to be that that quest update doesn't come at the right time: maybe a place outside the Temple where i have to pass, like some kind of a marker where the game knows i'm there (just like the 'You've found' update at forts and camps doesn't always comes up at the entrance of a dungeon, and you have to walk around a bit until the game seems to recognize you're there). However it's possible for me to fast travel to the Temple, so the game knows i've been there.
- You... confuse me. How can a brother take you to the door without speaking to you? It sounds like you just did things in an unexpected order. Re-load an earlier save and follow the walkthrough. –rpeh•T•C•E• 19:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- I said 'without talking to the brothers and (so without) one of them takes me to the door'. ;) I guess i tried everything and so i'll just have to live with it i won't finish the thieves guild questline with this character. Thx for the response anyway.
- You... confuse me. How can a brother take you to the door without speaking to you? It sounds like you just did things in an unexpected order. Re-load an earlier save and follow the walkthrough. –rpeh•T•C•E• 19:37, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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[edit] Leveling Up Question
Hey I decided to start a new game on Oblivion and I'm still level 1. I have to sleep to raise my level, but I'm still raising my Major and Minor Skills. Will this have an effect? (e.g. will I move up two levels? [because I don't want to])
Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.110.160.234 (talk • contribs) on 30 July 2009.
- You only ever go up one level for each time you sleep. If you have raised your skills enough to be eligible for two level increases, you have to sleep twice to obtain both. –rpeh•T•C•E• 10:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks so much :) Also does this mean if I raise all my skills to Level 100, I'll have to sleep like 30 times or something? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.110.160.234 (talk • contribs) on 30 July 2009.
- Probably, yes. You will also almots certainly end up horribly underpowered. See Efficient Leveling for more information. –rpeh•T•C•E• 21:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Tribunal Expansion Question
I just installed tribunal and saw no change so i went online and read taht i have to go to sleep and an assasin will try and kill me, so i went to sleep and nothing happened what should i do? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.181.132.211 (talk • contribs) on 30 July 2009.
- Read this page. There are a few criteria you have to fulfil before the attacks begin. –rpeh•T•C•E• 21:12, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
[edit] enchantment
I need a enchantment that can allow me to carry more things Eg.A effect 125 feather Later on until a certain point it deacrease instead Pls help Thks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Oblivion1000 (talk • contribs).
[edit] Oblivion Elder Scrolls_Ultimate Heist Theives guild
Im Doin the ultimate heist mission an when it came time for me 2 ge the scroll i left it behind jumped down the big hole an broke the boots is there a way for me to retuen an get the elder scroll so i can get it to the grey fox I Returned all the way to the epochs hall just 2 b told that the door to the guards quaters is locked an needs a key in order 2 get back in help please
[edit] how do i get the secret doors in the castles to work?
hi i have built a castle for myself and i would like to put a secret door in it but so far i cant seem to get it to work the movable pillar moves but the door would not, anythoughts —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.8.145.251 (talk • contribs) on 20:14, 4 September 2009.
- As mostly a modifier rather than a designer, I've never done it myself, but as far as I know, you have to create an Activator and then add a script to it to open or close the door. Have a look in the Construction Set at the
BravilSecretLever01Activator for a simple example, or theMQ05SecretDoor01Activator for a more complex one. —Robin Hood (Talk • E-mail • Contribs) 22:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
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- If you or anyone knows how or is willing to help i need it, Please bear in mind im am new and dont understand everything yet(like Terminology) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.8.145.251 (talk • contribs) on 04:29, 5 September 2009.
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- ok so i rewrote the srcipt just like bravil's secret door script but i changed the item reference to it to my town castle's name But when i tryed to save the Script it said sytech error in line 10 and would let me save so im still suck and idk what to do. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.8.145.251 (talk • contribs) on 05:27, 5 September 2009.
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[edit] Mystery island
There is a mystery island to the northeast of the arcane university and west of the main island in lake romare. I've circled it fifty times and swam around it to see if there is a secret entrance but so far no dice. When I use a detect life spell I can see that there are at least two people on the island and ive even heard their voices. How do I get on to that island????
- That would be Wellspring Grove. You're allowed to enter it during the A Mage's Staff- quest in the Mages Guild quest line. Krusty 14:29, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Daggerfall Semi-Main Quest Issue
I am in the process of completing some of the main quests in the Daggerfall storyline. I am still at the beginning really, only having done the one for Princess Morgiah, then the one for the King of Worms, and have done Cyndassa's beast and the tracking of the letter quest.. the first one for Mynisera. I am running through town, and I get a message that pops up saying "A young lad with the Rose of Wayrest embroidered on his surcoat appears at your side, hands you an engraved card, and disappears.".. but I have no additional item in my inventory, and no clue where to go. I went to Wayrest castle, and the only person there who will talk to me is the King, who just sends me on some random quest not related to the storyline. Any help on this issue would be great.69.131.204.54 07:29, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Another Leveling Question
I am new to Oblivion and I appreciate any feedback or help. I am mapping my levels to ensure efficient leveling, and that all stats are at 100. I have laid out a framework where by the last four levels will increase luck only. Is that possible? Can you gain a level and only increase one stat? What happens when all stats but Luck are at 100 and you still have major skills that are not at 100? 198.209.167.70 16:01, 17 September 2009 (UTC)
- You won't arrive at any problem. Normally you must increase 3 attributes, but this takes into account the amount of attributes this is still possible for. If your other attributes are already at 100, you will only have to increase one stat (or 2, in the case you have two attributes below 100). --Timenn-<talk> 08:28, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] "Information Gathering" quest... help!
Hi! I'm playing Oblivion on a PS3 and I'm experiencing some problems with this Fighter's Guild Quest. First of all, after the Azani Blackheart quest, Modryn never returned to Chorrol, he just stayed and keeps wandering Atatar. So, during the Information Gathering Quest, I had to go with Ajum-Kajin to Atatar and after I told him to sit down he just started walking and now I have been following him for more than 40 min and he just keeps walking and not saying anything relevant. He just repeats that he'll never talk to us and we'll pay for it. BTW, his disposition is over 90. So, should I keep following him or just go straight back to Modryn at Atatar or to to Modryn's house at Chorrol? Please help me! I'm getting terribly bored and beginning to hate the game. Thanks! Shateiel 09:57, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
- Follow him back to Chorrol; the quest should proceed as usual then. –Elliot talk 15:39, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Rusty and rough stuff
Is there a special places where I could find all rough and rusty armor (full-set)or are they just avaible on PC(by creating them). I have the PS3 version and I got some from the tutorial but no one seem to wear those (rough leather helm and Gauntlet and Rusty iron gauntlet).. I've finish the game once and now I'm trying to get everything !!!
Thanks : Hunter (By the way this site is great)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.130.92.149 (talk • contribs) on October 3, 2009.
- You can find information on most, if not all, pieces of specialty gear here, but to save you the trouble: the Rough Leather Gauntlets and Helm, as well as the Rusty Iron Gauntlets are not found in game. Every other piece of the two sets is only available in the tutorial dungeon (with the exception of Rough Leather Greaves, which don't appear to even have a game code in the CS). Dlarsh(Talk,Contribs,E-mail) 18:59, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Attenuator of Judgment And book not in my inventory
Im using the GOTY edition and i went throught my inventory and my Attenuator of Judgment and that book were not in there and it wouldnt let me finish the quest (A better Mouse Trap) 'BTW THIS IS XBOX 360!
[edit] Rat Problem crash
i'm not sure if this is the right place to post, but here goes... at the end of the fighter's guild quest "a rat problem", the game crashes. it doesn't seem to matter what i do. i've tried completing the quest in every way possible, i've also tried using setstage. i searched this site to no avail, as well as bethesda's oblivion forum. the only thing i found was on google: [1] i'm asking here and if no one knows what to do i guess i'll just forget advancing in the fighter's guild! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rattus (talk • contribs) on 28 October 2009.
- Is there a specific single point at which the game crashes (quest stage, or specific dialogue, etc.)? If that is the case then we may find a way to circumvent the crash. --Timenn-<talk> 11:06, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
the game crashes when i get the skill increase for completing the quest (whether it's from the rat lady or quill-weave). actually, i am able to finish the quest if i kill all of the rats (stage 200), but this seems like a waste because i already did all of the work. this can be a last resort, though, if you have to advance in the fighter's guild. Rattus 20:22, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, I can see why setting to one of the two quest stages that finishes the quest would cause the crash too. The skill bonus is provided there, but I need to check first whether that could be what is crashing the game. Please try whether
modpcs speechcraft 1makes your game crash (in that case, the problem is a bit bigger, as a few more quests use that command).
- Otherwise it would mean testing all the commands executed when the quest is updated (not too much lines), until we can find what causes the crash. --Timenn-<talk> 16:58, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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- That might be some problem. That particular command (modpcs) is used in a few other situations. See the article about Free Skill Boosts for that. Now I know that this command was altered in one official patch, so I'm curious, have you fully patched your game? --Timenn-<talk> 13:50, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
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- i have the latest official and unofficial patches installed and nothing else (textures, etc.). however, since you mention it, i'm going to reinstall and apply the patches again. Rattus 05:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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- i reinstalled and applied the patches again. it fixed another problem i was having but not this one. Rattus 06:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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