Oblivion talk:The Bloodworm Helm

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The Bloodworm Helm. Please help. In order to get into the Black Rose area I need a key, which I don't have. Where can I find this key?^{—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 62.166.88.188 (talk • contribs).}

If you need a key to open the door, you're at the wrong door. There are two doors into the Black Rose zone and only one of them is locked. --Nephele 01:48, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Contents 1 Essence Drain 2 Getting Helm too Early 3 Curiosity 4 Does the helm disappear like the Necromancers Necklace? 5 New Bug? 6 J'Skar 7 More than one Helmet?

[edit] Essence Drain

For some reason, when I am wearing the Bloodworm Helm, the "Essence Drain" spell doesn't show up in my inventory! Why not? I have Oblivion for 360. Thanks! Verin Sedai 18:50, 21 December 2006 (EST)

What is your Restoration skill level? Is there any chance that your skill level is too low to cast the spell that you're receiving at your level? For example, if you're level 15, the Essence Drain skill is a master-level spell, so I'm guessing that you would have to be at 100 in Restoration skill (and that's natural, not fortified) to be able to cast the spell. --Nephele 15:23, 23 December 2006 (EST)

I just did some more testing of this and can now confirm that only the lowest level helm works as advertised. There's a mistake in all the higher level scripts: instead of using player.addspell to add the Essence Drain spell, they use plain addspell. I had to stare at the scripts for about 20 minutes to finally realize what the mistake was... and that was after testing twice in game showed that there must be a mistake somewhere. So unless you get the helm at level 4 or below, you won't get the Essence Drain spell. --Nephele 01:28, 9 January 2007 (EST)

[edit] Getting Helm too Early

If you acquire the helm after completing A Plot Revealed, but before actually getting this quest, Traven will ask you for the Helmet when you return to him with it, but there will be no dialogue option allowing you to give it to him. This will prevent you from advancing any further. (Xbox 360, v1.2.1; untested on PC)

Irlav Jarol's corpse is not enabled until this quest is started; the only way to get the Bloodworm Helm is to activate Irlav's corpse. So I don't see how it is possible to get the Helm before this quests starts. Can anyone explain how this bug is possible? --Nephele^Talk 00:15, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

Please see the talk page for A Plot Revealed for A Bug Revealed. :^) I've rewritten the summary of this bug on the main Plot Revealed page as well. Kivan 04:09, 8 January 2008 (EST)

[edit] Curiosity

So can one assume that Irlav used the Helm to summon Daedra to fend off the necromancers? And that the dremora at the end of the fort betrayed him? Just curious when i saw the dremora standing over his dead body...--piercethetruth

[edit] Does the helm disappear like the Necromancers Necklace?

Like the headline asks, after you give it to Traven, does it disappear from the game or can you get it back when you become Arch-Mage yourself?

Yes it does. The unofficial Oblivion Patch makes it appear in the Arch-Mage's nightstand though. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 02:24, 15 February 2008 (EST)

Aww, well, I'm not someone who's affraid to use the console to get back what he thinks he deserves, goes a lot faster than downloading the unofficial patch, and it corrects only what I want correcting. Thanks for the info, I could've guessed it myself, but it looked strange with nothing saying whetheror not is disappeared, and people talking about how Essence Drain doesn't work (meaning they used(d) it instead of giving it up). - Korunox 07:25, 15 February 2008 (EST)

[edit] New Bug?

"I was expelled from the Mages Guild for killing some wizard and go told to collect 20 daedra hearts & 20 vampire dusts. Along the way I came across the Bloodworm helm... when I got back to the arcane university and gave up my peanalty I couldn't continue with the next quest as I already had the Bloodworm helm - Draven cant start me off looking for it. I don't really want to go back to an old saved game as it was many hours ago and I've completed several oter quests since!

Is there a way to get him to give me the next quest or am I stuck with not being able to complete the Mages Guild?"

Can anyone confirm this? 77BeTa77 22:41, 4 March 2008 (EST)

I just added it. Please forgive me if I made any rookie mistakes... 77BeTa77 22:54, 4 March 2008 (EST)

This is the same problem noted above at #Getting Helm too Early. It's not specifically to do with the fact that you have been expelled - it's a bug with the scripting at the end of the previous quest. See the link in Kivan's comment above for a fuller description of the bug. I have rewritten the bug report on this page accordingly. --Gaebrial 03:58, 5 March 2008 (EST)

[edit] J'Skar

Why is he disabled and removed once this quest is begun? It seems an odd thing to happen, as he is entirely unrelated to this quest. --Merco 13:04, 8 March 2008 (EST)

I'd guess that the events of the previous quest got to him and he decided to leave the world of magic for a while. Or less prosaically, the developers didn't want a character with no purpose cluttering up the lobby. –Rpeh^{•T•C•E•} 03:00, 9 March 2008 (EDT)

[edit] More than one Helmet?

Can you get two of the Bloodworm Helmets like you can with the necromancers amulet?--Drake3555 13:04, 22 July 2008 (EDT)

O.K. No you can't. As I recall There is some scripting that makes it appear when Caranya dies but, seeing as Irlav is already dead...--Drake3555 16:13, 23 July 2008 (EDT)